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Nov. 21, 2021

Ho'oponopono w/ Mabel Katz

Ho'oponopono w/ Mabel Katz

In episode # 122 Dr. Reese sits down with Mabel Katz, a leading Ho'oponopono teacher, author and practitioner. In this talk they discuss what Ho'oponopono is, how it helps people and how easy it is to practice. Mabel share stories on how the practice helped her when she was a successful accountant and how it still helps her today. They also shine the light on her teacher, the legendary Dr. Hew Len and how he cured an entire mental ward by using Ho'oponopono. 

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Dr. Reese (00:01:06):
Welcome to the podcast.

Mabel Katz (00:02:14):
Thank you so much. It's wonderful to be here with you.

Dr. Reese (00:02:18):
So what's the easiest way.

Mabel Katz (00:02:22):
Well, I found the easiest way in that is a very ancient Hawaii art of problem solving, uh, in my search for happiness and peace. I kept, I had a little voice that said there has to be an easier way. There has to be an easier way because I did many things. Uh, but there was a lot of drama. You know, people engage, uh, react, uh, blame. Yes. They find somebody to blame for, you know, for their problems. And I thought there has to be an easier way.

Dr. Reese (00:02:56):
Yeah, I, I've done quite a bit myself, a lot of Eastern traditions, you know, Buddhism, doism, you know, that type of stuff. Ho Pono is very simple. Isn't it

Mabel Katz (00:03:09):
Very too simple, you know, for the intellect is too simple. So the intellect will say no way.

Dr. Reese (00:03:17):
And so <affirmative>, and so ho'oponopono essentially is based off of three states of being right, the subconscious, the regular conscious or the intellect, and then the super conscious, right.

Mabel Katz (00:03:31):
You know, we are participating in the best video game in town. Yeah. Um, or we are part of mm-hmm <affirmative> so life is actually happening in our subconscious mind. The memory that we've been accumulating. Yes. We accumulated things when we were kids, you know, somebody told you somebody did something to you, decisions that you made, you know, um, but most of them are from past lives. And that's something that we need to wake up to to realize that the problems that we are having now has nothing to do with what is happening now. But they are all memories from past lives. And we are here to correct errors. The world hope on upon means how to correct a error. So life is replay memories that are in our subconscious mind. That is why we talk about a hundred percent responsibility. Okay. So no guilt. Yeah.

Mabel Katz (00:04:27):
But what am I responsible for the memories that are playing in my subconscious mind? So that's why, yeah. Then the conscious mind, the conscious mind is the one that God gave us to have free choice. So things come to you. They are perfect. Even if they don't look like, but now you have free choice. You react not react. You take responsibility, don't take responsibility. You know, you go a instead of B, I mean, you are responsible. Okay. Mm-hmm <affirmative> for your decisions. And your decisions is what makes actually your destiny. Uh, maybe you come with the destiny, but you can change it based on the decisions that you make now. Uh, and we all have a perfect part in us. That is the, the super conscious mind. That part is always connected to divinity universe, nature, whatever you want to. Uh, so no matter what is going on between different relationship between, uh, we call it matter the intellect and we call child the subconscious mind. So it doesn't matter what is going on in this relationship between mother and child, the super conscious mind, or the father never interferes because we have free choice. The most important thing of this is not like I need to understand. Yeah. But this gives me an idea of how this work, you know, and what happens when I actually choose to let go, instead of react

Dr. Reese (00:05:57):
In Eastern traditions, these memories might be called karma.

Mabel Katz (00:06:01):
Exactly. Exactly. So past memories, yes. We come to correct errors. Yeah. Yeah. The Cabala call is the TCO. Yeah. So we are all talking about the same thing. We are here to correct errors and nothing happens by accident.

Dr. Reese (00:06:18):
And the other thing, the

Mabel Katz (00:06:19):
Universe is perfect.

Dr. Reese (00:06:20):
And the other thing about the subconscious mind is it's all connected. So mine is connected to yours and yours is connected to your neighbor. And so this is what many people call the collective,

Mabel Katz (00:06:36):
The collective, the, the one, the one mine. Yes. That's why in <inaudible> we say, whatever gets erase from you, it actually gets erased on for everybody. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So you are, you can make a big difference just by doing this from home. You'll not being alone and you never know how many life could, you could save how many things you could avoid only because you were willing to take responsibility and do your part.

Dr. Reese (00:07:04):
Yeah. And, and of course in miracles, it's called the sun ship. They call it the sun ship. So different traditions, different genres, all the same thing.

Mabel Katz (00:07:17):
Exactly.

Dr. Reese (00:07:18):
But the big thing that I love about ho Pono Pono is the responsibility aspect.

Mabel Katz (00:07:24):
Me too, me too, that, that set me free. <laugh>, you know, see, I wanted to be, uh, independent since I was a little child. I was always looking, you know, to make money. So I, I wouldn't depend. I mean, and when I found about ho bono, they, you know, some people run away, you know, when you tell them you are responsible because they think you are telling them, you are guilty, you know, but responsibility set, you free responsibilities that is up to you that you don't depend on anybody or anything outside yourself. And when I realized that really I felt free for the first time in my life. It made me very happy. <laugh>.

Dr. Reese (00:08:05):
So if somebody you're close to say a best friend, you've known him for 20, 30, 40 years. If they say something to you and it triggers you, it triggers, let's just say anger or frustration, you are responsible for the anger and frustration, right?

Mabel Katz (00:08:22):
Yeah. Well, it is basically hope on opponent. If you want to understand it, it is about that taking a hundred percent responsibility and saying, I'm sorry for whatever is in me that, you know, he he's, he's, he's, uh, aggressive or he's angry, or even for his problem, or even if it's a sickness or, or something, you know, but again, it is not because you are guilty, you know, it's very, very different. Uh, it is about you taking responsibility that there is a common memory there that nothing is an accident. And these people are coming to you for you to take responsibility, to turn on the light. Yes. I always said a problem is that the light is off. Who's gonna turn it on because it turns off for everybody.

Dr. Reese (00:09:13):
How powerful is the sentence? I love you.

Mabel Katz (00:09:18):
Yeah. Well, they, I love you. They think you are very powerful, but I always like to, to, to mention that in hope on Apollo, those words don't mean <laugh> what we think they mean because they are passcodes. They are easy ways to do hope on Bon. Okay. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so for example, my teacher, Dr. Heard once it says, just tell them to say, thank you. I know what they mean. So you don't have to say that. I'm sorry, please forgive me. You don't have to, uh, say, I'm sorry, I'm wondering what is going on in me. You know that this is coming up or what is the memory you don't need to understand or anything, but you need to know that there is something inside of you and you can change it if you work directly with source. Yes. Uh, whatever you understand for that.

Mabel Katz (00:10:11):
And that is letting go. We call it letting go and letting God or source or whatever. Yes mm-hmm <affirmative> so that's what you want. You want to let go and you want to just take responsibility. That is something in you. And it's not again, that you are guilty, but you are giving permission for somebody to, uh, to erase it a more intelligent mind than yours. That knows why the problem, where the problem is, uh, what you are ready to let go, et cetera, et cetera. Because sometimes Kevin, not even the problem is what you think it is. Again, it's not what is happening in the present moment. It's just a memory replay. So, um, and you never know what you are cleaning with. We use, you know, I could tell you I'm cleaning with this, you know, that's happening, but what is it really? I don't know.

Mabel Katz (00:11:04):
Only God knows. Yeah. So I would like to actually tell you, I was not a believer, you know, hope made me a believer. I do call it God, but I'm gonna tell you what I call God. I call God a part of me that is inside of me. And that knows me better than anybody else that knows all my problems that has the solutions to all my problems. But it's just waiting for me to see if I let go or not, you know, because if I engage, I think I worry, you know, cannot do anything.

Dr. Reese (00:11:38):
That's the video game to let go.

Mabel Katz (00:11:40):
That's the exactly. So what, you know, the blue or the red peel

Dr. Reese (00:11:45):
<laugh> yeah, that's right. That's right. Right. And so in order to clean, as it's called, we use these phrases.

Mabel Katz (00:11:54):
Yes.

Dr. Reese (00:11:55):
And you know, I'm sorry, please. Forgive me. Thank you. I love you. But you're saying you can just do. I love you.

Mabel Katz (00:12:03):
I'll I'll tell you what could look like mentally. Okay. We do it mentally. So you are talking to me and I repeating. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Or I love you. I love you. Or any combination or a lot of people are using the four phrases. I'm sorry, please forgive me. Thank you. And I love you. And it works. A lot of people are doing my, my way. I let go and trust <laugh> or I'm not gonna worry, you know? And, and you see results, but why you are letting go, you are not reacting. Yeah. What you resist persist. Um, you are allowing a more intelligent part of you to intervene.

Dr. Reese (00:12:46):
Well, not only that, but it's also a pattern breaker for your mind. So instead of your mind, instead of your mind, wandering, you're breaking it by saying, I love you.

Mabel Katz (00:12:58):
I love you exactly. You're because this takes you to the past, takes you to the future. You are never present. And we need to realize that all we have is this present moment. That's right. That's it. We don't have anything else <laugh>, you know? Yeah. So it wasted time worrying, going to the future, imagining things, you know, uh, waste of time going back to, to the past so that we keep replaying. If we keep, you know, living in the past, how could we change the future? No way. Yes. So your job is just to be present moment by moment. Also in that way you are more alert. You can, you know, uh, recognize the signs. Yes. Uh, do life start happening to you instead of you pushing life to happen, you understand?

Dr. Reese (00:13:47):
Yeah. And by also by doing it, you do become more loving. I mean, I like to hug trees, you know, <laugh>

Mabel Katz (00:13:53):
Yeah. Connecting with nature. I, I always tell people, maybe it's not a whole upon a tool, but definitely, um, you know, connecting with nature, also, nobody noticing, uh, how nature flows. Yes. Or how, uh, birds flow or, or, you know, or how they have, uh, birds know where they find their food. Yes. And it's usually close to where they are. Why are we always looking out there <laugh>, you know, uh, or going, uh, far, you know, away, you know, like the Alchemist yes. To find out that then it was in

Dr. Reese (00:14:28):
Your office. It was right there the whole time. Yeah. And Jesus said, you know, the birds are taken care of though.

Mabel Katz (00:14:33):
Exactly, exactly. So we have to realize, yes, we talk about karma. We talk about, uh, the possibility of correcting errors. But one thing that I tell people is we do it God's way, instead of our way, uh, it will be easier and there will not be suffering. Mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. We didn't come to suffer. Even though that we came to make amends, let's say yes, but if you don't take it personal, you know, and, and you go with the flow, it will be much, much easier.

Dr. Reese (00:15:05):
So when somebody's starting out, let's say their first month doing ho upon, upon on the practice. I mean, they're cleaning a lot. I mean, it's tedious cuz it's all the time. So, well,

Mabel Katz (00:15:19):
Well, because also, um, you are paying too much attention to that <laugh>, you know, or you are trying to do it perfect or, or you are questioning, am I doing it right? You know, and that makes it pious. That makes it, but when you flow like a child, it becomes natural.

Dr. Reese (00:15:39):
Yeah. The more you do it, it more, it becomes automatic too. Doesn't

Mabel Katz (00:15:42):
Exactly. That's the idea. And we, in the, in the trainings, we, we work with the inner child, the subconscious mind, we need that help, you know, and that's the part that can do it in automatic. Like it does your breathing. Like it, it does all your, you know, takes care of all your body functions.

Dr. Reese (00:16:04):
So when we are cleaning, we're talking to our subconscious also known as the inner child. Right. And then that sends an energetic response up to your higher self or your super consciousness. And then that shoots out to divinity, right?

Mabel Katz (00:16:23):
Yeah. BA basically the intellect, our mind is the one that has the free choice. So it's the one that chooses to let go, you know, to do the cleaning. So that is like an order that the intellect gives to the subconscious mind. And in like the subconscious mind, you start working with God, you know, what is it that we are ready to let go, youre not cleaning up house. Yes. Looking in the drawers and things like that. And then that petition goes to the super conscious mind. Yeah. We say that the intellect cannot go directly. So it has to go through the inner child. And the inner child makes the connection with the super conscious mind. And the super conscious mind makes the connection with divinity. The super conscious mind, like cleans up the petition. You know, he knows what is right. And puts it up to divinity. And immediately this happens, you know, again, this is only in information for the intellect. Do you have to know all this to do home one on one? No. Yes. But this gives you an idea that something is happening when you are saying, thank you're saying, I love you because the intellect feels I'm not doing anything. You know, let's do something,

Dr. Reese (00:17:33):
Especially for a beginner. Do you think that them going back to past events would be a good idea to talk to the inner child? Like say something happened to them when they're 12 and they're still holding onto it.

Mabel Katz (00:17:47):
Well, you know, could be again, the intellect doesn't know because it doesn't have the intellect. My thing is that that happened to you when you were 12, but really you don't know. So yes. You can always talk to your inner child and say, please let go. Actually, that's all you have. The only thing that your inner child needs to hear is we are together. Now. Now I know that you exist. You know, we are together. Now we are gonna work directly with God. I'm not gonna abandon you. I'm not gonna neglect you. There is nothing we need to worry about. And, and actually you can talk to your child and ask very loudly. You know, please let go, because this is the part of you. But actually when you're saying thank you, when you're saying, I love you. It's a way of talking to the inner child.

Mabel Katz (00:18:35):
You know, the inner child knows how to do this. So it is again, it's part of this, uh, circuit. You know, that, that happens every time that you say, thank you. I love you. But you, the most important, I think Kevin, that we need to convey here is that we are all unique and you have to do it. You know, he, Dr. My teacher used to say, um, God, doesn't treat us as cattle. You know, everybody do this, everybody that, you know, follow your own inspiration, you know, you take this information and you say, this is what works for me. Or you go, you be more spontaneous and you do what works in the moment that it might change. You know, right now you want to say, I'm sorry, please forgive me. And the next moment you just want to say, thank you or I love you. So it's not about questioning, you know, again, am I doing it right? You do it your way because you are unique and you only know what works for you.

Dr. Reese (00:19:35):
Yeah, I do. Thank you. I love you a lot as a continuous mantra. And then I bring the forgive stuff in if needed.

Mabel Katz (00:19:43):
Exactly, exactly. I mean, you are the one, you know, uh, in charge and you are the one that knows what works for you in that moment. And again, it's not about, this is what you have to repeat. This is the order that you have to repeat. No, just go with, with the flow in the moment, whatever comes out, don't even question

Dr. Reese (00:20:03):
It. So if somebody's on a walk, beautiful walk, and then all of a sudden, a thought comes by about,

Mabel Katz (00:20:12):
I need to pay the telephone bill. Yeah.

Dr. Reese (00:20:14):
Or, or a judgment on mom or dad or something like that. Yeah. Just, I love it. Just,

Mabel Katz (00:20:19):
Just say, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. But I'm enjoying the ride. <laugh> you know, or I, I also use a lot of thank you, but I'm busy, you know? No, thank you. But I'm busy. <laugh> uh, so again, it is about, you know, lovingly also, because again, what we resisting, we put the inte is bad. Guess what? You are resisting it. Yeah. So, no, you make it a friend. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. But I'm busy right now. <laugh> and, and, you know, I always said that hope Bon opponent was my meditation, you know, 24 hour meditation and, you know, looking more into meditation and everything is really all, all people that teaches the people that teaches meditation, they always talk about letting go <laugh> yes. Meditation is about letting go. Meditation is observing and letting go, not engaging and hope on opponent is exactly the same thing, but 24 hours a day, observe do not engage. Let it pass. Yes. Um, you have a judgment, you clean with the, you let it go. You understand what I mean? So how could you be at that stage, that vibration call that energy, you know, being connected, you know, with the, you know, at a higher vibration being connected, uh, with source and, and being able to be guided and protected and knowing that you don't have to worry about anything.

Dr. Reese (00:21:46):
Yeah. It, it's almost like we're, we're transmuting on the spot.

Mabel Katz (00:21:51):
Exactly. But, but not always works the way you expected. Right. And this is very important. And that is something that it was since that day. I'm gonna tell you what happened. And since that day, I swear to you, this works always okay. But it doesn't work sometimes the way you expected. So you have to trust it comes the, the thing about, that's why I said, I let go and trust. I let go and trust. I went to Dr. And I said, oh, this doesn't work. You know, I'm do, I'm cleaning, I'm cleaning, but this doesn't work because it wasn't working based on my expectations, you know, on my own situation that I had at that moment. And it wasn't resolving, you know, the way that I was expecting to resolve. So, uh, there is also a story that he didn't say anything in that moment, but then, you know, he clean, he waited for the answer, you know, what is the right answer to give me? And he came and he looked into my eyes and he said, no expectations. And did, since that day, I saw to you, this really, really works every time. But again, you, you don't know what is, right. So you have to actually let go of your expectations or what you think is right. Or what you think it should is the way to accept that everything is perfect. And sometimes you have to go through the tunnel in order to see the light.

Dr. Reese (00:23:20):
So if you have a judgment on someone that judgment could persist, you might have to clean on it a whole bunch of times.

Mabel Katz (00:23:27):
Yeah. And, and, and it's about what I, I was saying before. Now you keep living in the past, how you are gonna change the future. You're gonna keep attracting the same thing, because you don't want to let go because you want to be right. <laugh> because we, you want the other one to apologize. Listen, let go of that because you are hurting yourself. You're not hurting that person.

Dr. Reese (00:23:51):
Speaking of attraction, you said attraction. Um, a lot of people are into the law of attraction. It's a law it's out here, but with ho opponent PO you don't have to be aggressive with that law of attraction, because the more you clean, right. More things just kind of drop on your lap.

Mabel Katz (00:24:10):
And there is the right things. <laugh>, you know, because sometimes you ask for things, but you don't know what is right for you or what you think, oh, I will have this and then I will be happy. And then, you know, you have it and you're not happy. Maybe that wasn't it. So why not allowing, uh, the part of you that knows better, you know, to bring you what is right and perfect for you? Um, so again, it's is effort effortless. Yes. Now, easy to say, okay. Because we all have problems. We all have challenges. And when they show up, sometimes it's not as easy to let go in the moment, but I always tell people, I let go, as soon as I can I let go. You know, I go back to the, I go back to the clinic. Like I, I go back to my senses. Yes. Um, but sometimes it's, it's, I understand it's not easy, you know, to keep your mouth shut, you know, not to have judgments or, or expectations, but I, you want to be as conscious and alert and present as much as you can. Mm. You know, and, and that's what upon health you to do. So you go back to repeating as soon as you can.

Dr. Reese (00:25:23):
Dr. Hulen is an interesting gentleman. Uh, yes. You mentioned him. Of course. He's famous for the, the mental institution incident where he worked, worked on cleaning the clients up. Didn't even meet with them and close down the whole hospital, cuz they all got better.

Mabel Katz (00:25:41):
Yes.

Dr. Reese (00:25:43):
And one of the things that he teaches is to be inspired by divinity. Yes. And the more clean you become, the more you get those downloads, so to speak.

Mabel Katz (00:25:55):
Exactly.

Dr. Reese (00:25:57):
And so, uh, the cleaner we are, the more we get those, right.

Mabel Katz (00:26:04):
The, the thing is about letting go and letting go. Like I said before. Yes. Yeah. So the idea is how I could be again, um, in that energy, how could I be connected? So moment by moment, you clean and yes. The more you clean, uh, you know, the universe is always observing you. Yes. So see that you are trying, seeing that you are, you know, committed, um, uh, that you, you are, um, having a compromise. Yes. So the more the universe will connect with you. The more that will will uh, um, communicate with you, we'll find the ways to communicate with you and guide you. So when you are doing this, you are allowing for that guidance, uh, to come. Yeah. So regarding the law of attraction that you mentioned, it's not like open doesn't work, it's a univer, a universal law. Yes. But what happened is we don't realize that when we practice the way we were taught, you are using only the mental part and the mental part doesn't know.

Mabel Katz (00:27:06):
Yeah. And you are manipulating because we can do that, but you are also using a very small part of you and actually the manifestor is your inner child. It is your subconscious mind. Yeah. So you are kind of working with the wrong, uh, part of you. Yes. It could be temporary relief, you know, and things like that. Uh, but the thing is, um, that when you do hope on Apollo, yes, you are working with a lot of attraction from, but from the subconscious, uh, mind of yours and working directly with divinity, that knows what is right for you instead of your intellect.

Dr. Reese (00:27:45):
What about working with clients? I mean, you do a lot of seminars and what whatnot, but what about working one on one with a client and using ho opponent PO to help them?

Mabel Katz (00:27:56):
Well, maybe I should go back to my prior life. <laugh> of being an accountant, a tax accountant. I started practicing bono, being a tax accountant. And, and I, I open up my own practice because I always work for CPA offices as an employee. And, um, because of hope open, I opened my own practice. Yes. Uh, so I follow my, my own inspiration. And, um, and because of that, I let go of my own practice too. <laugh>, you know, I took a lot of iLogic decisions because of hope open and

Dr. Reese (00:28:34):
You got alone, you got an unexpected loan too, didn't you?

Mabel Katz (00:28:38):
Oh, well, no, that my loan went down, uh, yeah. That my income went down and I say, how am I gonna do to pay all these people? You know, that I already have with a new career of profession. And, uh, and, and suddenly my bank says, oh, instead of paying so much, you know, a mortgage, you have to pay this. And it was half <laugh>, you know, what I was paying for what, you know, because I had a variable tax rate or whatever I didn't even know. Yeah. So, yeah. Um, so, um, I'll tell you how, how it worked for me. The clients would come by themselves. I mean, I don't know, word of mouth, you know, people would give my name a number at that time. There weren't emails yet. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, and, uh, and it was amazing. And all the clients that came, they had tax problems and I had to represent them in the tax audits before, you know, the government here.

Mabel Katz (00:29:35):
And, and I got amazing results only because I was practicing Bon Obama. I couldn't believe it myself and my clients <laugh>, you know, they, some they're still waiting for a bill, you know, to come, they would say, okay, try to get me an installment payment, my bill, you know, and, and, and then, oh, I'm, I'm not getting anything from, you know, the government. And I said, no, you want, you don't owe anything. So, um, I got them refunds and things, but because of keeping my mouth shut and practicing open upon. So I, I never had problems with clients not paying me again. I did, I never run out of work on the contract. And actually I needed to be independent because that is what gave me the possibility of traveling with Dr. Because I was independent. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, uh, that gave me the possibility of, um, working part-time, you know, and again, doing this, um, that gave me the possibility of paying for a lot of radio and TV shows that I did here for the, um, Los, the Latino community in Los Angeles. I mean, I, I did, my career helped me, my prior career helped me a lot, but brought me to where I am now. Yes. And I'm, I'm really grateful. So sometimes you feel how come I've been doing this, you know? And, but then you realize everything is perfect. Yes.

Dr. Reese (00:31:01):
Mm. And so when you, when you were an accountant, you'd be cleaning while the client is right there next to you.

Mabel Katz (00:31:09):
I, and not only that, but also during the, the, the audits. If I tell you the stories that I have, I convince auditors with things that I didn't know where they came from. I told an auditor because my client didn't have any proof of, for the ex the deductions. And I told her, look, I mean, to make these kind of money, he has to have deductions and looks, they look reasonable and she, and she look and they said, yeah, they look reasonable. <laugh> go figure, where did I get that from? Just what I mean, only inspiration. Okay. It, it wasn't like I went prepared to the audit and I'm gonna tell her this, no, I would go blank, nothing being present in that moment. And answering, without thinking inspiration is acting, speaking moment without thinking, you understand what I mean? And then you look back and you cannot believe what happened.

Mabel Katz (00:32:07):
Then I have another audit where this lady was very tough. I had to meet with her for a second time. Uh, the se the first time she didn't believe anything to me. Okay. Well, we keep cleaning the second time. It was like my best friend. You know, this person had changed. Like she was a, a different person and she was friendly and everything. And I was told this was not a client of mine. Um, the CPA office that I used to work for, asked me to help them with the client of them, you know, and represent this client of them. And they had told her, you know, this will look like fraud. You know, your tax return looks like fraud. So, you know, maybe, you know, the penalties for fraud could be very high, but that depends on the relationship that Mabel makes, you know, with the auditor.

Mabel Katz (00:32:59):
And in, in another moment, Kevin Bel that used to be perfect, you know, had to be perfect and, and care very much about what other people thought or was gonna say. Um, would've, you know, um, been very, very pressured, but, you know, I smile when I heard that because I, oh, it depends on my relationship. All I have to do is clean. Yes. Well, zero penalties. Not only not fraud penalties, no penalties at all. Yes. She owe money in the case because it was definitely all, all the deductions ended in zero <laugh>, you know, like made up numbers, you know? Yeah. So it was impossible that she would take it as she was, but the penalties could have hurt and no penalties at all.

Mabel Katz (00:33:48):
Wow. So, and that was for me, clean doing the cleaning that this is what it convinced me the most, to be honest with you, my relation with my kids too. Yes. But, but, uh, my profession, you know, my tax, uh, profession was what, it convinced me more about Obama, because I mean, you know, you could be very spiritual and it's great and it's important and it's the foundation, you know, it's your foundation. But if you go to the extreme, no extremes are good. You understand what I mean? You have to find the balance. We are here now.

Dr. Reese (00:34:23):
Well, I, I look at it, like, I like to use the word programming. No, we're programmed. Yes. From mom, from dad, from society, from past lives, perhaps. And that's the subconscious right. Spitting out this data, this programming. And so whole Pono Pono helps us to deprogram

Mabel Katz (00:34:45):
Exactly. To you era the program. Exactly.

Dr. Reese (00:34:47):
Yes, yes. Yes. And so when we, I, I feel that

Mabel Katz (00:34:50):
The only way to attract something different otherwise is like Einstein said, yeah, insanity, keep doing the same thing, expecting different results.

Dr. Reese (00:34:58):
And some people pray directly to God and it works. They have amazing stories. Yes. This is just slightly different, but the same concept,

Mabel Katz (00:35:08):
But it, you are working with God, you are praying to God. You're asking God. Uh, but not with the least

Dr. Reese (00:35:15):
<laugh>, but you're, you're going, you're going to your inner child first.

Mabel Katz (00:35:18):
Yeah. Yes. But, but it, it is automatic. Yes. I talk to God too.

Dr. Reese (00:35:23):
Yeah, me too.

Mabel Katz (00:35:24):
But I know, but I don't need to understand that that is going, talking to God. Let's say it could be a cleaning tool. You understand what I mean? Coming to God is always a cleaning tool. You understand? So it's not like I talk to my child to go to God. I talk to God. For example, I have an amazing story to tell you something that happened to me two weeks ago. Uh, I went, first of all, you know, I was taking a group to Mount Shasta here, Northern California. Mm-hmm <affirmative> and it got postponed because of the fires here in California. Okay. So, um, so at that moment, I, I said, I do need to take a break right now, you know? So I said, and I usually go every year to Mexico for my birthday in August. So, um, I said, do I go to Los CAS or Puerto Valarta?

Mabel Katz (00:36:17):
And I waited for inspiration. Yes. So the inspiration came Los CAS. So I get to Los CAS in Mexico and they are now suddenly hurricane is coming mm-hmm <affirmative> okay. And I, I did an amazing exercise. I went through like talking to God, like being in front of God, reviewing my life, you know, and saying to God, Hey, you know, I know I was not perfect, but I'm satisfied with what I did. I did the best I could. I did the best I could. Yes. I want to stay. Yes. But if it's my time to go, I go happy because I feel I did. I gave my best, I did my best, you know, and I'm, I'm happy. Um, and if I have to go I'm okay. Yes. Well, the, that the, that same day at night or, or during the, the Mor the early morning, the hurricane change, um, course. And it went to Porto, Val. Okay. Remember I had the, the question, do I go to this one or that one?

Dr. Reese (00:37:20):
Okay. Yeah.

Mabel Katz (00:37:22):
But that exercise that I did, and, and that was directly with God. I didn't sit down or I didn't tell my, my, my inner child let's okay. Let's talk to God. No, I went directly. Okay. But sometimes I tell God, um, God, this is too much for me. I need help. Okay. Or many times I tell people just hold God's hand. Yes. And you are doing the cleaning. So it not like you have to do or think about what you are doing when you are talking to God. Yeah. Now I come back to Los Angeles and somebody writes to me and says, there is a, a hurricane right now. He Los Cavs. <laugh>. I mean, I'm in crazy. So I always tell people, when you do this, you are at the right place at the right time with the right people trust. Okay. Maybe the hurricane, even if it, it wasn't that I, I was at the wrong time at the wrong place. It was because I had to leave that. But I mean, this show me how we are guided and protected when we allow it, when we ask, okay, sure, sure.

Dr. Reese (00:38:29):
This inner child though, it need, it needs some attentions, doesn't it? Cuz we, we don't even know he is there. Usually

Mabel Katz (00:38:35):
It feels abandoned many times neglected and things. But as long as you start being conscious that it's existence, you know, and you start communicating more and, and uh, including him or her more in your life. And, and when I said him or hear her, I don't want you to think that all, if you are a boy, you have a boy in a child, it could be the, uh, the opposite. Okay. So don't think that if you feel that you have a cha a, a, a girl instead of a boy, no, it must be, I might be wrong. No, maybe you are right. And it's okay.

Dr. Reese (00:39:15):
It's interesting for me. I was doing inner child work and then I found whole upon, or it found me and I was like, oh, this is similar to what I was doing with talking to my inner child. Except

Mabel Katz (00:39:30):
It was important.

Dr. Reese (00:39:31):
More sci, a little more Explanatory.

Mabel Katz (00:39:35):
Dr. Dr. Used to say that if you are looking for the, your best partner is your inner child. <laugh>, that's your best partner.

Dr. Reese (00:39:44):
Yeah. He says, that's the number one relationship.

Mabel Katz (00:39:47):
Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Reese (00:39:49):
And that takes me sometimes. I wonder if, if the inner child is a representation of Jesus too, because then there's mother Mary. So there's the mother, there's the child, child, son, God. Now who knows? Yeah.

Mabel Katz (00:40:02):
<laugh> yeah. Yeah. Who knows? And, and the, the most important thing is if, if you believe it works, know that you have to or relate it to whatever works for you. You know, like for example, some people says, okay, when you are saying, Hey, I'm sorry, please forgive me. Or you are saying, thank you, who you are saying it to. And sometimes I tell people, you don't need to understand, just say it, but let's say that you need to understand it. Okay. You are saying it to God. Yes. But if you feel that you are saying it to your child, do it, what, what works for you? The thing is do it. <laugh>, it's not about understanding it is about doing it. So just

Dr. Reese (00:40:44):
It's about it's about love and trust.

Mabel Katz (00:40:46):
Exactly. Being, uh, being a child. Again, we have to go back to being children again, stop thinking so much or trying to understand so much

Dr. Reese (00:40:58):
Dr. Hulen and I, I don't, I don't quite have his fir his full name mastered, so I, to him, Dr. <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. How, how old is he now? Is he in his eighties?

Mabel Katz (00:41:11):
Yes. Late eighties.

Dr. Reese (00:41:13):
Yes. So, you know, when I did the whole Pono Pono training, it was like 15 years ago. You were in it.

Mabel Katz (00:41:20):
Where, where were you? Where, where was it?

Dr. Reese (00:41:23):
It was, uh, it was, um, in Texas.

Mabel Katz (00:41:28):
Oh, wow. With, uh, Charles.

Dr. Reese (00:41:31):
It was with, uh, Dr. Vital and Dr. He,

Mabel Katz (00:41:34):
Ah, the one with Dr. Vital. Okay. Okay. Got it.

Dr. Reese (00:41:37):
And you came up, you talked for about 15 minutes. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. I think the easiest way just came out.

Mabel Katz (00:41:43):
Yes. Yes. <laugh> well, yeah, it was kind of new. Yes. Actually I think, uh, I think Dr. Vital, my book was one of the first ones that he read about ho bono, because actually at that moment there wasn't anything about ho only my book.

Dr. Reese (00:42:02):
Right. And, and Dr. Vital being a good marketer, really put it out there.

Mabel Katz (00:42:07):
Yes. Yes. So I always say, thank you, because thank to him that make this famous, you know, um,

Dr. Reese (00:42:15):
He's still promoting it.

Mabel Katz (00:42:17):
He's still promoting it. Yeah. And, um, and, and people found out a lot of people found out he opened a lot of doors yeah. Because of his marketing, uh, skills. And that was great.

Dr. Reese (00:42:28):
And I think Dr. Huk saw that and he was inspired to go with him right. In the beginning.

Mabel Katz (00:42:32):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, he didn't do anything without checking. Yeah. So, yes. Right, right. We needed a marketing, some marketing for open one.

Dr. Reese (00:42:43):
Yeah. Yeah. And mostly

Mabel Katz (00:42:46):
Not everybody, not many people knew. Yeah. And, uh, yes. And yeah. You know, we used to be always the same reviewers coming back and coming back and coming back and we always, and some, some new students, uh, here and there and, and the new students will come and say, how come there is no more people here, more people needs to know about this. And, uh, but, um, but he was the one really making people aware of it.

Dr. Reese (00:43:15):
Yes. And Mo most of the audience were therapists.

Mabel Katz (00:43:18):
A lot of therapist would come, but not all the therapist would stay because when you tell the therapist that the problem is in them, in not in their patients. Right. They don't like it.

Dr. Reese (00:43:29):
<laugh> right. Right.

Mabel Katz (00:43:30):
And again, know that you are guilty, but if you look at it as an opportunity, clients, patients, you know, uh, customer service, you know, whatever you are, your hairdressers, you know, everybody's coming to dump on you, you know, their problems. But all you have to do is clean and allow, go to correct. What is it in me? You know, that these people are, you know, uh, this person is telling me this.

Dr. Reese (00:43:58):
So using the, the famous incident, as an example, Dr. Hu would sit in his office yes. With a folder and he'd look through the file of someone who's a murderer.

Mabel Katz (00:44:10):
Yes.

Dr. Reese (00:44:11):
And he would say something like, I'm sorry for whatever.

Mabel Katz (00:44:16):
Wait in that Mo in that moment, remember, there were not the four phrases to the four phrases came with Joe vital. That was Joe vital was not doing the four phrases.

Dr. Reese (00:44:27):
Okay. Okay. Okay.

Mabel Katz (00:44:28):
But it was working with God about, for whatever is in me that this person, uh, kill the mother, you know, or abuse somebody or whatever he says, I'm sorry.

Dr. Reese (00:44:40):
Forgive me for my part. And my brother,

Mabel Katz (00:44:43):
Exactly. Knowing that he was there because he had common memories with the murderer. Yes. And that didn't make him a murderer, you know, or something, but it make him responsible. And, and he knew that whatever would get erased from him, he would get erased from, from them. And that's why we always say, you don't need to talk to anybody. You don't need to be close to somebody to resolve a relationship. Like you said, the subconscious mind is one. So that get, as I, it gets erased from you. It gets erased from the other person. We always said, it gets erased from your family, relatives and ancestors. And now with the DNA studies and everything, we are all family, you know, we are all related.

Dr. Reese (00:45:30):
So Dr. Hule would go through file after file, after file, after file for like four years. Right. Or

Mabel Katz (00:45:38):
Something like that. Yeah. I don't remember all the details. He told me I have interviews with him, but I don't remember all the details.

Dr. Reese (00:45:45):
Yeah.

Mabel Katz (00:45:46):
But he's been there. Yeah. He, he was there for some years and all he would do is sit in his office and do the help on open clinic.

Dr. Reese (00:45:55):
He's a trained therapist. Like he's, <laugh>,

Mabel Katz (00:45:57):
He's got a, he was a psych, a clinical psychology. He, uh, well, you know, he had a teacher. Yes. Correct. Yeah. And, and he would tell us that when Mona did consultations, uh, the, the, the person would come to the office and Mona would say, okay, start talking. And her, her desk was completely clean. Yes. But while the person would with talk to her about her problem, she wouldn't even look at them and she would start, she would start, uh, opening the drawers and getting things out of the, of the drawers <laugh>. And, and by the time, you know, the, the consultation ended, the, the, the desk was full of stuff, you know, and, but at one point, and she wouldn't say anything to them. And at one point the person that came for the, the, for the, for the therapy would say, oh, Mona, thank you.

Mabel Katz (00:46:51):
I'm feeling much better. <laugh> okay. So, and, and Dr. Hu would say, I was trained that you have to look at the per the people's eyes, you know, are your clients or your patient's eyes, you know, and like paying attention. No, she would do this kind of consultation. So what was she doing? She, she was doing the cleaning, you know, and, and, uh, and it's about a hour in your head. It was, yeah. Yeah. <inaudible> is mental, you know, because everything is mental, you know, everything is whatever your thoughts are, you know, whatever you are thinking, whatever you are. So that's the realization we have to have right now. You know, how is it that we create?

Dr. Reese (00:47:35):
I had a moment the other day, it was just Sunday, a few days ago. I don't know. Everything just came really clear and very present. And I could beautiful. I could see my thoughts as just clouds. Like there was no effect. I just laughed at 'em. They were just funny. <laugh>

Mabel Katz (00:47:56):
Beautiful.

Dr. Reese (00:47:57):
And I went on a walk and every, it was like a brand new, it was like, everything was wonderment.

Mabel Katz (00:48:03):
Oh, beautiful.

Dr. Reese (00:48:05):
And I slept great. And I woke up the next day and it was gone and I was frustrated <laugh>

Mabel Katz (00:48:11):
But just, just thinking about the experience. Yes. Yeah. It gives you a completely different yes.

Dr. Reese (00:48:17):
Um, yes.

Mabel Katz (00:48:19):
Uh, interpretation of problems or of life of who you are and everything

Dr. Reese (00:48:25):
I wanna get. I wanna get back. See that. Hey.

Mabel Katz (00:48:27):
No. Well, just think about it. Not everybody is that lucky to have that experience. So you had it

Dr. Reese (00:48:35):
And it lasted too, at least a good six hours. I want it back now. I will get it back. You know, it just

Mabel Katz (00:48:44):
Practice, practice,

Dr. Reese (00:48:45):
Practice, discipline, just,

Mabel Katz (00:48:47):
And, and you know what, maybe connecting more with nature will bring it back.

Dr. Reese (00:48:51):
Yes.

Mabel Katz (00:48:52):
You know? Yeah,

Dr. Reese (00:48:53):
Yeah. Yeah. So it's just this discipline of, of keep

Mabel Katz (00:48:58):
Being aware. It is what I told you, instead of meditating, 20 minutes in the morning and at night, why not to be in this meditated state by using the whole opponent, you know, to be in that state and to be able to have more of those experiences.

Dr. Reese (00:49:15):
It's interesting. You say that because to

Mabel Katz (00:49:16):
Be able to see how God sees, know how we see.

Dr. Reese (00:49:20):
So I, I, I practice centering prayer, which is a form of meditation,

Mabel Katz (00:49:25):
Which one

Dr. Reese (00:49:26):
It's called centering prayer it's of meditation. Oh, Okay. And, and the way it works is you're supposed to say a, a word every time a thought comes and it brings you back to center the other day, it just went right into my whole bono automatically. I didn't even do it purposely. It just, I was like, oh, it's automatic.

Mabel Katz (00:49:49):
<laugh> yeah, yeah, yeah. It's be, it's a beautiful sensation when you realize you are in automatic, but the other thing is, whatever brings you back to, to present, you understand what I mean? You can get your own tools too. You can even, you could even ask for your own tools or when you have a problem, you can say, how do I erase? How do I, uh, how do I cling with this? Yes. And maybe something that you heard before it comes, or maybe something new that you never heard before.

Dr. Reese (00:50:18):
I like to hug a tree and do ice blue <laugh>

Mabel Katz (00:50:21):
Exactly. Or, you know, or you touch the flowers. Yes. You go. And, and you just say, uh, ice blue too.

Dr. Reese (00:50:28):
Yeah. And there's a whole bunch of them. There's, uh,

Mabel Katz (00:50:32):
The tools.

Dr. Reese (00:50:33):
Yeah. Light switch,

Mabel Katz (00:50:34):
Light switch. Yeah. Yeah. But that's why people think it's just a poor phrase, but we have many ways to do it. And again, get, you can get your own tools because maybe, you know, this prayer that you said, that's your tool too. And, you know, and you switch from, and sometimes they think you and they lab you, or, you know, so what is it that works for you that is important then that you trust that?

Dr. Reese (00:50:58):
So one of the things that Dr Hulen taught in this training was the subconscious mind, the inner child also has control over your cells, your physical body.

Mabel Katz (00:51:11):
Exactly.

Dr. Reese (00:51:12):
And so

Mabel Katz (00:51:13):
We takes care of your body. Exactly. Like I said before, that's your breathing and everything. Yes. Yes. And that's why, if you have a illness or whatever, you can always ask the child, please let go. But lovingly not let go. <laugh>, you know? Right. Please let go. And your patient. Yes. It's very important. Like, for example, uh, with illness or whatever, again, that you don't resist because what you resist persist, because maybe it and let go of expectations because maybe the illness is still there, but it doesn't bother you or it doesn't get worse, or it doesn't interfere with your normal life. And still there, like, you know, thank you. But I'm busy. <laugh>

Dr. Reese (00:51:56):
Right. Right. Well, yeah, I'm a nutritionist. So I, I come across a lot of people who are not well and, you know, they're, they want to heal through nutrition that I could be clean.

Mabel Katz (00:52:08):
I it's very important. Very

Dr. Reese (00:52:10):
Important. Yeah. I could be cleaning for them too.

Mabel Katz (00:52:13):
Yes, exactly. Well, like we said, you are kind of a therapist too. Yes. Yeah. So, uh, the idea is the, the clients that come to you or your patients, uh, come, um, to give you one more chance. So you are also, you will, by inspiration, you will get what that person needs instead of you understand, like, okay, this works for everybody, or this is, you know, and maybe you come up with new things, you know, to recommend people because you work with ation,

Dr. Reese (00:52:49):
We're starting to get close to the end here. So I wanna know what's Dr. Hulan like with the, with the camera,

Mabel Katz (00:52:56):
Off's an interesting, you have to know, you have to know I'm, I'm not in contact with him since 2009.

Dr. Reese (00:53:03):
Okay. Okay. Okay.

Mabel Katz (00:53:04):
Uh, he used to be <laugh>, uh, I mean, I'm, so I'm very grateful to him for thi teaching me the whole Bon Obama. But for saying to me that all I had to be was myself. You know, that was the best advice he gave me. Yes. Because I thought I was going to have to train on public speaking or things like that. And she told me, no, you just have to be yourself. You know? And, and that's the really the easiest way. Um, and also because he told me how to trust God to 300%, you know, uh, being with him, it was really, you wouldn't doubt that God existed, you know, and he was an amazing role model, you know? Uh,

Dr. Reese (00:53:56):
It was very connected to divinity.

Mabel Katz (00:53:58):
Unbelievable. Uh, unbelievable. So that was an amazing experience for me. Now, the other thing that I have to tell you that sometimes I, I share with people is he, he has a temper and he would get mad at us because, you know, we wouldn't, you know, we would come with questions, intellectual questions, you know, mm-hmm <affirmative> and things like that. And he would get like,

Dr. Reese (00:54:21):
Well, he was, he was stern to the audience members at the, at the seminars. He would be like,

Mabel Katz (00:54:28):
Yeah, he's not like, oh, like, yeah, this, oh, now he was very funny. And sometimes he was very funny. One day we came back from a training and he told me, he, every time we came back from a training, he would say, cut, what did you learn today? You know? And actually when he asked that something came like, yeah, today I realized this, you know, where I went deeper on this, or now I got it. You know, I heard this so many times, but now I got it. Um, and one day he asked me, what do you think about the, how was the training? And I said, well, if it was my first training, I would have never, uh, came back <laugh> and she said, why? She says the way you treated people. I said, I would have never, you know, come back, you know?

Mabel Katz (00:55:17):
And, uh, and he, he would tell me, you know, I heard divinity told me, give it to them. Otherwise they won't get it, give it to them. Yeah. You know? So, um, uh, he had a temper. He wasn't, you know, always that caring. He wasn't always that happy, but he was an amazing soul. And I understand his frustration <laugh> with us. Because again, we, we keep being intellectual. We keep trying to understand, we don't trust. We don't let go. We say, we let go. But we don't. And, and somebody that has that connection and that trust is hard for somebody, you know, it's frustrating. I think like, it's frustrating for us right now, seeing so many people asleep yeah. With everything that is happening. And we don't understand how come people don't realize what's happening. You know? I mean, like we, listen, we are in different frequencies, you know, like you are listening to one thing and the other, the person next to you, listen, you know, understands something totally different.

Dr. Reese (00:56:18):
Yeah. He would get annoyed. And,

Mabel Katz (00:56:20):
And will you get frustrated? I understand.

Dr. Reese (00:56:22):
He would get annoyed with, uh, audience members when they would ask a question. He'd be like, no, don't ask a question.

Mabel Katz (00:56:27):
Yeah. No licking with your question. <laugh> right. Leave with your question. So then people would wouldn't ask. Yeah. Because they were afraid. And then he would say, don't let me scare you, you know, or something, if you have a question you can ask and yeah. He would make that, that statement. And that is important to know that your questions are memories and that you can clean with them. That is important. That's an very important statement, you

Dr. Reese (00:56:53):
Know? Right, right. And he kept, he kept drawing,

Mabel Katz (00:56:56):
Pounding on that. Yes.

Dr. Reese (00:56:58):
He kept pounding on it. Yes.

Mabel Katz (00:57:00):
And also, and also he could tell when people would come from intellect and being want to be right. And you understand what I mean, just, you know, how come this can work. This is ridiculous or things like that, or just, I want to be right. You know, or have the last word. And I mean, he would get really upset with those people. He could tell <laugh> where they were coming from.

Dr. Reese (00:57:24):
How about people that start unearthing, trapped emotions? Like, um, we tend to have like these trapped emotions in us sometimes. Yeah. When whole PO and Pono can, like, they can really stir it up.

Mabel Katz (00:57:40):
Well, you have to be patient too. Yes. It's not like, oh, I said, thank you. And they went, you know, you keep working on this again, who you are giving the control to the same, like fear, you know, you can always say also to fear, I'm, I'm busy right now. You know, thank you. But I'm busy or I'm not buying, you know, we are buying these things. So the stories and everything. So, um, uh, it is important to, to be patient, know that you are, and again, our inner child is also our emotional mind. So you can also talk to your child, please let go. You know, let's just to be happy instead of right. You know, many times when people discuss these things, that I don't have any problem because I'm still intellectual and I can understand intellect and I can relate to intellect very well. But I tell them, listen, if you are happy, keep doing what you're doing. You know, you don't have to change anything if you are happy. Now, if you are not happy, maybe you want to look, you know, at yourself and say, maybe there is something that I need to change

Dr. Reese (00:58:48):
With whole point Pono being so simple. Why do people still come out into the seminars and everything? Don't they don't don't they have it by now? <laugh>

Mabel Katz (00:58:58):
Well, sometimes we made that statement, but I also tell Kevin that the people that comes back are the ones that really get it. Yeah. Because you don't get it in one seminar, to be honest with you. Um, again, like I told you before, Dr. Huen would ask me, what did you get today? You know, uh, um, you always go deeper. Yes. Because the training is for the subconscious mind and also the cleaning that happens, the people knows, some people can see the cleaning, you know, that happens during the seminars. So a lot of people come for the cleaning. For example, some people participate, even in absentees. I used to also participate in absentee. I couldn't make it because you see results. You know, you, you know, that things happen. For example, every time I took a training is like I was cleaning more, you know, I was more conscious, a little bit more conscious.

Mabel Katz (00:59:53):
Um, I started seeing moving attention, and this is not about getting people's money. It, this is really same results. So I, I took it like 200 times or, or more, I don't know. But, uh, every time I learn something and now when I teach, I learn, I always learn something and you go again a little bit deeper, you change your perception, you know, and that is important. And, and again, you are, you keep training your inner child. Yes. So your inner child is listening to this and it's getting, you know, more and more and knows that you are committed too. Yes. So it's gonna help you.

Dr. Reese (01:00:30):
Yeah. And the other thing that I've discovered too, is that if somebody, if someone's around you and they're negative, or let's just say you walk by and the news is on and it's negative, that's more data that's coming in to be stored into your

Mabel Katz (01:00:48):
Yeah. You don't want to store more. Yes. You don't want, yeah.

Dr. Reese (01:00:51):
You gotta clean on the spot. You

Mabel Katz (01:00:53):
Want to try to not to, yeah. Not to accumulate more. Yes. We have enough to clean already.

Dr. Reese (01:01:00):
Right. Okay. So where can people come find your work and learn more about you?

Mabel Katz (01:01:06):
Uh, well, if you come to mobiles.com, that's, that's my website. You will find out about events and things, uh, happening. I, I have some memberships, you know, I do, I give classes monthly. I created a lot of co frequency training, co frequency, like my trademark to help people to find their purpose, uh, their passion. I feel a perfect world would be one that we all do what we love. So I created sea frequency to make it more inte, to make open upon more intellectual, uh, to be able to share with people what helped me to be more aware to, uh, to, uh, to clean more, to let go more. And, um, but also always concentrating on what would you do, even if you don't get paid, because you love it. And not because you have to do it for free for the rest of your life, but in the beginning, you know, you volunteer, you, you check, you do it, you know, and then you start growing.

Dr. Reese (01:02:05):
Yeah. And you have a, a very nice Instagram as well. A lot of yes,

Mabel Katz (01:02:09):
Yes. Of Spanish. A lot in Spanish. Yes. But we, we, we try to take care of our English speakers too. So to remind people, you know, to let go and trust. So yes, I, LinkedIn face in Facebook is mobile cuts from page, but in all the other ones, it's, uh, just mobile cuts my name.

Dr. Reese (01:02:31):
Last question. Are you drinking your solar water?

Mabel Katz (01:02:34):
I'm drinking my solar water. Sure. <laugh> at least doing something, you know, we need to drink water. Not why not solar water. Yes.

Dr. Reese (01:02:44):
You just put a little, just a little splash in

Mabel Katz (01:02:47):
A li a little bit of the solar water will, will, will Solarize the whole thing. Yes.

Dr. Reese (01:02:53):
Yes. Thank you. It's been a pleasure.

Mabel Katz (01:02:55):
Thank you so much.

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