Inner Peace w/ Dr. Reese
Aug. 30, 2020

Freedom Farming w/ Curtis Stone

Freedom Farming w/ Curtis Stone

In episode # 63, Dr. Reese talks with the urban farmer, Curtis Stone. In this conversation you'll learn about turning your backyard into a market farm to make a living, the advantages of greenhouses, the top 5 commercial crops, the top 5 survival crops, water collection, solar energy, and how working the land is meditative. Curtis will also detail the off-grid homestead he and his family are building in order to deal with the major changes the pandemic is bringing. 

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Dr. Reese (00:00:00):
Curtis, welcome to the podcast, man.

Curtis Stone (00:01:38):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (00:01:40):
So how many people have come to you looking for help with growing food since the pandemic?

Curtis Stone (00:01:49):
Oh geez. <laugh> I don't even know. It just, just it's insane. Yeah. I've been telling them the same thing. I've been talking about this stuff forever. Not necessarily a pandemic, but right. Some kind of event that's going to make, uh, it difficult to access food and you know, my, my YouTube audience or my memberships, you know, that's what I do. And that's what I'm there for. But it's, it's funny when people that I've known for so long are all of a sudden, Hey, can now, can I have your time now?

Speaker 2 (00:02:15):
You know, there's almost two types of farming experiences. We have the market farm and then you have the survival farm. Mm-hmm

Curtis Stone (00:02:23):
<affirmative> totally.

Speaker 2 (00:02:24):
And I saw a video where you revealed, I guess we can say that you got together with four or five buddies and created a farm just for emergency basically mm-hmm <affirmative>, which is completely different from your business, which is mm-hmm <affirmative> you know, this is your livelihood is growing food.

Curtis Stone (00:02:45):
It's it's it's very different.

Speaker 2 (00:02:47):
Yeah. I, I can tell you're, you know, you're you've been preparing.

Curtis Stone (00:02:53):
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. We, I don't screw around. I've been preparing for this stuff for a long time, cuz I've no, I've always known, like that's what got me into farming back in 2008. Yes. Was uh, yes. You know, looking at the whole geopolitical situation of the world and going, okay. You know, we're, it's not gonna be gravy forever. There's gonna be a reckoning coming at some point, whether it's debt political, cultural, we're in all those now I think. But um, yeah, that's what got me into it. So I've been preparing in many different ways. You know, my house is, is, is crash proof it's off grid or has the ability to be off grid if the grid goes down,

Speaker 2 (00:03:35):
Grid tide.

Curtis Stone (00:03:36):
Yeah. It's grid tide, but we have batteries and all that. Um, and so, uh, and, and we're, we're on 12 kilowats of solar here and then we know grow a massive amount of our own food. As far as my little quarter acre that I live on, we grow, I would say at least 90% of the fruit and vegetables that we eat in a year, including the winter. So, I mean, we've been, we've been, you know, and I've been learn, I've been skilling up. I've been learning how to do all this stuff along the way. So we've been, yeah, not that I've been looking forward to this time, but I I've certainly been preparing for it as I've seen it coming for many

Speaker 2 (00:04:12):
Years through 2008 is really not that long ago. Your, you know, you you've, you've created an expertise pretty quickly

Curtis Stone (00:04:21):

Speaker 2 (00:04:22):
Back then anyone that was on the tip was like 20 12, 20 12. Yep.

Curtis Stone (00:04:28):
2012. Exactly. That's right. That's what it was for me too.

Speaker 2 (00:04:30):
And nothing happened at least not physically anything's

Curtis Stone (00:04:33):
Happened. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:04:35):
And so I was doing my little prepping here and there. I was like, you know, dibbled, dabbling, but I never went all the way. It sounds like you went all the way.

Curtis Stone (00:04:44):
I went all the way. I mean, as, as far as I could go with the resources and uh, and that I had available to me, um, you know, uh, we're definitely going further. We just purchased a large acreage way out of the city. So that's our next step is, uh, we got about 50 acres that we're going to be developing, uh, all the, sort of the whole thing of human, uh, human, uh, existence, food, water, shelter, energy. So we're gonna be putting in some long term perennial crops there, lots of tree crops, nuts, nuts, and things like that. Putting in water, harvesting systems, putting in the off grid, energy systems and then, uh, yeah, putting in a farm, really a, a small farm, but uh, yeah, preparing a larger piece of land that, uh, if things go south in the city, that that's where we can go and we might just move out there. We'll see, we'll see how we

Speaker 2 (00:05:36):
Like it. I was, I was gonna say a fifth day, you could start a community, a small one.

Curtis Stone (00:05:40):
You could. And, and you know, I, I don't want to, uh, we certainly, that's kind of what we're doing as far as our closest friends and our family. That's what, that's what that's for. Um, cuz I just, you know, when I look at how things are going right now, I'm not, I'm not optimistic about the masses. I think people like myself and maybe yourself and people that see what's going on, I think will be fine. Um, but uh, it's gonna get tough in the cities and stuff. So I, so I don't really want to be here for when that happens. I have young kids too. I don't want my kids being in there either. Even the whole mask thing. I'm just like, I'm tired of it. I I'm tired of my kids not seeing people's faces. Like I don't want them, I don't want that to be their founding memories. And that's, you know, it's so my kids are before the age of seven and that's where so much stuff is important and, and impressionable on their minds and their memories. Yeah. And they're sort of foundational years. I don't want them growing up around social distancing and masks and nonsense.

Speaker 2 (00:06:40):
You create your own, you create your own bubble.

Curtis Stone (00:06:42):
That's what we're gonna do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:06:45):
It's working for the NBA. <laugh>,

Curtis Stone (00:06:47):
It's working for the Amish. It's working for, uh, the Quakers and the Mennonites. Right. So why not do the same?

Speaker 2 (00:06:55):
So Amish is like the standard man. They've been unbelievable. Mastered it

Curtis Stone (00:07:00):
Totally. When, when the lights go out, they're not even gonna know. No, <laugh>

Speaker 2 (00:07:05):
No. So like many people I've been wanting the garden for a long time. And when the pandemic happens, I said, now is the time I started my little garden, little a hundred, four square foot garden. Yeah. Just to, you know, you know, get my rookie season under my belt here, but never, never until I found your YouTube channel, did I ever think, oh, turn my backyard into a farm and make a living <laugh>. And so I, I appreciate this knowledge that you're passing on to people with your book, the urban farmer and your YouTube channel. Hmm. I could, me and many others with a quarter acre or less could actually turn this into a livelihood, right?

Curtis Stone (00:07:51):
Oh yeah. I mean, I did that for 10 years. Um, and then I, you know, I, I, on the side of me farming, I was making YouTube videos in order to book. And so I, I built a whole career off my farm that that's what I've, I've fully transitioned to, uh, starting two year, two or three years ago. Um, but yeah, I mean, absolutely. And going forward, that's probably gonna be more necessary than ever. We're gonna have to find ways to, um, transact with each other and provide value to people in our communities with things that are done here, localize, you know, cuz who knows what'll happen geopolitically with China where so much stuff comes from, um, as well as agricultural products, uh, things that are things that the agriculture sector use such as pharmaceuticals and fertilizers and pesticides for conventional agriculture, that a lot of that stuff comes from China.

Curtis Stone (00:08:43):
Yeah. So we go into a sort of a, um, an American cold war. It could, it could make the necessity for local growing massive. And I mean, it's now, and there's our there's, there's all there's been for many years, a really strong niche market where people can, um, make a living growing on small acreage like I did for 10 years. And uh, you know, our farm, the height of our farm when I dialed everything in over the LA the, the previous eight years, the last two years of our production, we exceeded a hundred thousand dollars of sales on a quarter acre. Mm. And that net was probably somewhere around 50. Like that's what I would take home as the, um, uh, the owner proprietor mm-hmm <affirmative> of the business, but I had a full-time employee and a, and a, another full-time guy in the summer.

Curtis Stone (00:09:30):
And, uh, you know, this is, is a good, a good living, you know, and, and those numbers in tough times would probably be even higher because the value of food goes up when times get tough. So, you know, the career I built on farming was really based around niche market, high value crops, to high value customers like restaurants and fancy catering organizations and things like that, where they're paying a premium for specialty product, often delicate product like salad greens, and micro greens and cherry tomatoes and stuff like that. But in an environment where just bare necessity food is so valuable. We could see a four, five or six, maybe even 10 times increase of the cost of, of the price of food. And so if that's the case, um, people growing a quarter acre of potatoes will be making a lot of money. Whereas I would've never told people 10 years ago that you could make money on a quarter acre potato, is it to make the kind of money I did on a quarter acre, you gotta do salad greens and micro greens and fancy, uh, expensive crops, but in a, in a market where everything's inflated, any kind of farming product is, is gonna be valuable.

Curtis Stone (00:10:43):

Speaker 2 (00:10:44):
So 50 grand net, that's, that's a decent living. And not only that, but you're doing it from your house, obviously you're not going into an office somewhere. You're not, mm-hmm, <affirmative>, you're saving gas money sort of

Curtis Stone (00:10:58):
Oh, big time

Speaker 2 (00:11:00):
And you get to be home with the kids.

Curtis Stone (00:11:02):
Well, that's it. And that, and that's, that's the thing that I've really tried to sell people on, uh, with the idea of, of making a living from your farm at home is yeah, the money's important. And in my book, I, I lay that out because I want people to understand the economics of it. And I want people to plan realistically and build a career for themselves. There you go. Yeah. And, um, but it is the lifestyle that is, in my opinion, the most superior, um, appeal to it because work isn't so much work when it's integrated into your, your lifestyle flow. So if you have children and, and you've got a little homestead and your working from home in the garden and the kids are with you and they're learning, so you're stacking functions, you're, you know, the kids are getting a real firsthand quality education, um, about where their food comes from and seeing their parents work has its own value and merits too, when you're raising children. And, uh, there's so many things that you stack. So if you only measure the dollar value, say the net, like you said, was $50,000 on a quarter acre, but my kids are there with me. And, uh, I don't have to go away from my family. It integrates into the lifestyle that, that has such a higher value than just the dollars and cents that it really, uh, lends itself to a very rich and holistic lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (00:12:29):
Sure. Even if you sort of broke even after expenses and I mean all bills.

Curtis Stone (00:12:37):

Speaker 2 (00:12:38):
It, it's almost still worth it because you're, you're home. <laugh>, you're, you're free.

Curtis Stone (00:12:43):
It is. It is. And that's, you know, that's one thing that's that doesn't really get talked a lot about homestead and it's got, it's gotta be the most. Um, and this would be, I guess we would call this farmstead it's homestead. If you're growing food, like we are farmstead is where you're like homesteading, but you're also producing a commercial crop. The, the, the biggest value of whether it's home setting or farm setting is that all the work you do, especially in a home, more of a home setting contest, you, you, you go and you let's say you chop some firewood or you harvest vegetables for dinner and you go and pick some fruit. My daughter's in the, in the greenhouse, you're picking figs right now. Um, that work is entirely yours and yours alone. Nobody has, um, there's no slavery involved in that, right? Whereas I, I do believe that we live in a, in a modern slavery system with income tax and the way that birth certificates work.

Curtis Stone (00:13:39):
And we're basically these commercialized compartmentalized units of production for the, for the system. But when you're living on the land and the work you do is yours and yours alone, you're that much less of a slave. You know, you're, you're, there's so much, there's layers of sovereignty that we can achieve through it, but it's, it is a beautiful thing. Just go out and say, chop firewood. And then that firewood heats your home and better yet is you, you cut that firewood from the deadfall in the forest, on your land, and then that heats your home, that work, and that energy is yours and yours alone. Nobody has rights, uh, and can take that from you. And it's quite liberating.

Speaker 2 (00:14:18):
It, it seems so I got about a quarter acre in the suburbs and I'm sort of making steps, steps, you know, it's hard to do all at once.

Curtis Stone (00:14:28):
Mm-hmm, <affirmative>,

Speaker 2 (00:14:30):
You know, it's more than <laugh> the average person's doing that's for sure.

Curtis Stone (00:14:34):
Oh, big time. But the thing is, is that right now, with all this stuff going on, uh, Americans, uh, north Americans Westerners in general, need to recognize that there's so much ability to grow your own food, right. Where you are. Mm. Like in my book, I cited, uh, some, some U S D a statistics, actually, they were just American and, and north American average statistics of the SI the average size of a lot in north America. Yeah. And I believe in the book, uh, it was the average home in north America has at least 2000 square feet. It might even have been 4,000, but just say 2000 square feet of lawn. And that's a, that's a lot of E that's a lot of area, you know, if you like, my lot is a quarter acre, my front yard, which is all garden is 1100 square feet. And then my backyard is about 25, 3, 3, 3000, which is all garden as well. You know, if the average person in north America has access to 2000 to 4,000 square feet of growing area, we could literally grow all the fruits and vegetables we need right. Where we

Speaker 2 (00:15:51):
Live. That's right.

Curtis Stone (00:15:52):
And so it's kind of, it's kind of cool because if we go into sort of a cold war type scenario, it's nice to know that America is very set up for that because there there's the history of the victory gardens. Yeah. You know, in, in world war II, they had all those propaganda posters about victory gardens and all that. So we can do that again. Um, my, my, my one concern is that people are so disconnected these days. They're so connected to the online world, but they're so disconnected from their spiritual higher self, but also the, uh, the land. And my concern is that in tough times, you know, when we have Rios and people like this smashing up cities, um, there's so many urbanites that don't know anything about growing food. Mm-hmm <affirmative> that that could be a little bit challenging, but, but we'll see the land is there, the resources are there, you know, it's the will and the people aren't necessarily there

Speaker 2 (00:16:49):
Very rarely does somebody wake up in the morning, look at their lawn and say that right there is useless.

Curtis Stone (00:16:55):
Mm-hmm <affirmative> I know

Speaker 2 (00:16:56):
Because the lawn is doing nothing unless you play on it a lot, but

Curtis Stone (00:17:00):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (00:17:01):
You're just mowing it.

Curtis Stone (00:17:04):

Speaker 2 (00:17:05):
Just for it to grow again,

Curtis Stone (00:17:06):
It's a complete cost center. It's just, I think a lot of people are switching on to that. Um, I don't know if it's a majority yet, or if we've hit some sort of cultural zeitgeist with that thing, but a lot of people are waking up to that. And the lawn is sort of a symbol in my opinion, of the excess of the baby boomer generation. Yeah. Of how, like, there was so much stuff and abundance that they thought I have land. Why would I grow food? Cuz there's so much of it. And it's so cheap everywhere else. Why would I spend any time doing that? Right. Right. But that's, that's changing now. People are the, the, the least the consciousness is changing that I see people are aware of it. You know, ever since I've been doing this, you know, I commercially farming for 10 years, but I've also been growing.

Curtis Stone (00:17:55):
Like my, my, my entire property is a garden. And even though I'm not commercially farming right now, uh, every time people walk by, they go, that is so cool. What, what a smart thing to do with your land? And when I was farming, it was the same thing. I never had anybody on all the over 20 different plots that I farmed in my commercial multi-location urban farm operation. Never did I have anybody walk by and go, oh, that's weird. Why would you do that? Everybody for the last 10 years has been, oh, that's so smart. It makes so much sense. They're completely converted over just by seeing it. Now I don't have to tell them anything. I don't have to talk about food security. I don't have to talk about anything. They just see it. And they go, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (00:18:36):
The front, the front lawn. Yeah. Do we, do we have to get permission from the town to grow on the front lawn?

Curtis Stone (00:18:42):
I never asked permission. I just did it. I'm I'm just that kind of guy. I mean, I, I don't, I don't care <laugh> because it's my property and the common law is, uh, what's yours is yours. And uh, if you there's no crime without a victim. And so I, I would encourage people. I don't want people to get in trouble, but at the same time, apologize

Speaker 2 (00:19:02):

Curtis Stone (00:19:03):
Yeah. Yeah. People need to start standing up though. Like it's, it's the fact that that's a thing is, is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (00:19:09):
Would you put a fence around it in the front yard?

Curtis Stone (00:19:12):
Mm-hmm <affirmative> oh yeah. And that's exactly what I've done in my front yard. My front yard has a really nice looks like it's not raw iron it's steel, but it's looks like that.

Speaker 2 (00:19:20):
Let's talk about crops. Yeah. You and I have similar climates. You're in Canada, right? Mm-hmm <affirmative> uh, I'm in Hartford, which is about two hours north of New York.

Curtis Stone (00:19:32):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (00:19:33):
You mentioned fruit. And so I'm a fruit guy. I love fruits to death a lot more than vegetables. And, but I look outside and I'm like, well, I can't grow oranges. I can't grow mangoes.

Curtis Stone (00:19:47):

Speaker 2 (00:19:47):
What can I grow besides apples? We know apples and pairs grow.

Curtis Stone (00:19:52):

Speaker 2 (00:19:52):
Besides apples and pairs, what can I grow? I saw your greenhouse. And I was very <laugh>. I fell in love with that thing right away. Cuz I see you're growing figs

Curtis Stone (00:20:01):
And grow. Yeah. I got lemons and limes and figs and oranges.

Speaker 2 (00:20:05):
Now are you, are you able to grow the citrus because it's in the greenhouse.

Curtis Stone (00:20:09):
Yeah. Yeah. Cuz this greenhouse is, is heated in the winter. Um, that's where I am right now as I record this and uh, yeah, you can't do that stuff outside. You grow apples, cherries, uh, nectarines, grapes, raspberries, goji, berries, blackberries. There's a lot of fruit you can grow just

Speaker 2 (00:20:34):
Yeah, definitely. Grape grapes stand out, uh, something, you know, just vine it

Curtis Stone (00:20:38):
Super easy. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I love growing grapes. I wish I had more, but they, they get, they get more and more abundant every year.

Speaker 2 (00:20:45):
I'm growing me. I'm growing melons out here and yeah, I didn't, I didn't TRS them this year. So they're, they're taking over

Curtis Stone (00:20:51):
To gardens. They're taking over. Yeah. That's okay. They better to put 'em in an area where they don't smother everything out or trellis them like I do. It works really well.

Speaker 2 (00:20:59):
Yeah. Well I was thinking of doing, is getting the cattle panel and doing the tunnels mm-hmm <affirmative> yeah. And then just have the, you know, the melon, melons and squash go up.

Curtis Stone (00:21:08):
Totally. Yeah. It's it's a beautiful thing and it's neat cuz then they hang through it and it's super easy to harvest. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I'm gonna probably try that up at my new place. Cause I've just got so much more land to play with up there. Um, yeah, I've been, I've been limited on what I've been able to do here because of my space, but it's been really neat actually over the last 10 years, learning to farm commercially and homestead on a very small limited space that when I go out into a, you know, 50 acres, I can try other things. So it's, I'm kind of excited. It's kind of a new chapter, but there's so much value in the small scale too, because in permaculture they refer to it as the zones and, and, and, and where you have your home and then you'd have what is like considered a zone one, which would be the closest things that you wanna have, the closest food you wanna have to.

Curtis Stone (00:21:58):
So like your kitchen garden, your herbs, things like that, uh, vegetables that you can plant in a tight space. And then the zone two would be things that you need a bit more space, fruit trees and grape vines and stuff like that. And then a zone three could be things like some grazing animals and stuff like that. So you kind of orientate your homestead around the proximity to where you are. And so there's so much value in learning the small scale. That's why my, my book is valuable to anybody. Uh, even who's homesteading because understanding how things work in a small scale will solve the biggest problems for you at the homestead, cuz you in that zone one area that's really where you're gonna spend 90% of your time. So in that area, that's where you want it to be really efficient and, and, and seamless. And, and it works really well with your lifestyle and it gives you most of what you need and then you plan out from there.

Speaker 2 (00:22:49):
What would you say? And you mentioned this earlier very briefly, but what would you say are the top five commercial crops and the top five survival crops? A little different.

Curtis Stone (00:22:59):
Yeah, they'd be different. I mean, previously to this COVID stuff, I would say lettuce, number one, spinach, number two, microgreens number three, radishes number four. And uh, turnips number five. Wow. Tho those are the ones that for me were the, for the best money makers as far as, um, yeah. Which is what delivered the biggest returns for us with the least amount of work. Wow. And then on survival crops, I would say

Speaker 2 (00:23:33):

Curtis Stone (00:23:34):
Right. Potatoes for sure. Squash like winter squash and other onions, like, uh, red onion that keeps tomatoes cuz can preserve them.

Speaker 2 (00:23:46):
No melons. Huh? <laugh>

Curtis Stone (00:23:48):
Well, they're not really, I mean,

Speaker 2 (00:23:50):
Not a big yield.

Curtis Stone (00:23:52):
Well not, well the yield's okay. It's just that I'm thinking of storage. Right. And, and, and, and how you can, I mean, I'd probably put a fruit in there. I'd probably put raspberries in there because you, you can produce so much, um, in a short period of time and you can freeze and preserve them that it's nice to have some kind of sugar.

Speaker 2 (00:24:10):
So what about cucumber? Pickling?

Curtis Stone (00:24:12):

Speaker 2 (00:24:13):
How come onions curious

Curtis Stone (00:24:15):
Because everybody, you need onions for cooking. Right. And, and they keep really well, like my red wing onions I can store for over a year. And so that, that has a lot of value. Hmm. Uh, you can trade them with people. They, they could almost be a form of currency. So they're

Speaker 2 (00:24:36):
Oh, onion is technically a medicinal plan as well. Cuz it's white. It has a,

Curtis Stone (00:24:39):

Speaker 2 (00:24:40):
Most whites are medicinal like garlic.

Curtis Stone (00:24:43):
Yeah. That's what they say. I don't know much about that, but I've heard that for sure.

Speaker 2 (00:24:48):
How, how do you have the farm and be off grid? Can you Solarize the whole thing? And what about water collection?

Curtis Stone (00:24:57):
Our plan at the, at the new acreage is it is off grid. There's no utilities out there it's way out in the boonies. And um, and uh, so we have to produce all those things there. So we have water. There's a well on the property. Um, the property's on a slope. And so what we're gonna be doing is, uh, building some more water harvesting features into the landscape. One thing we, we we're gonna be doing is creating what are called swales. And that's where you basically, you have a hill like this, looking on it on a side, on the side, you basically carve a trench into the ground, along the contour. So keeping at a level line, you're basically carving a ditch like this into the, so the hill comes down, you dig out an area and then you put that dirt on the underside.

Curtis Stone (00:25:49):
And then you do that all around for a long, a long area. It could be a mile long. It just depends on, on your land. And as the, as it rains or as snow melts, it comes down into that area and water always settles there. And so what it does is it puts water into the land there, but it'll also fill up. And then once it gets to a past a certain point, you could have a dam on one end of it. And then you put what's called a level sill spillway at, at the end. So as you get a lot of days of rain or whatever that swale fills up, once it gets past a, a certain, uh, height, you decide whatever that is, say two inches. Then it starts to fill into a bigger catch water dam. And then you're, you're keeping water in the landscape. That's irrigating trees and things that you plant along there. And it basically greens, uh, the area cuz our we're in a, we're in a desert here, a high desert, it's very brown and dry. They're like Southern California. And so we need those kinds of things to wow. Um, you know, and, and this is, this is kind of goes into a bigger, bigger conversation of capturing as much photosynthesis as possible.

Speaker 2 (00:26:55):

Curtis Stone (00:26:56):
In, in a, in a scenario where you are limited in your energy and uh, and resources you wanna capture as much sunlight as humanly possible in order to do that, you need to have lots of plants because plants are the most efficient way to capture light. And so the more plants you have, the more water you have, the more energy you have because you can, you can burn and use plants to create energy in their own way as well. Right? Growing trees, you can harvest those trees and burn them mm. Uh, for firewood. And so capturing photosynthesis is like one of the most important things you can do on your land.

Speaker 2 (00:27:29):
Wow. Yeah. I, I never thought of that. I appreciate that right there. How about catching water off the roof? Yeah,

Curtis Stone (00:27:36):
Absolutely. That that's a really easy way to do it, but that's only gonna give you enough water to drink a little bit. Um, if you wanna, if you wanna capture water to irrigate larger parts of land, you need far more significant capture.

Speaker 2 (00:27:53):
How about filter? You, you on your Bey Burkey cake.

Curtis Stone (00:27:56):
Oh yeah, we, yeah. Oh yeah. We got a Bey. We, we have a canyon in here at home and uh, that's for the city tap water, but um, yeah, up there we'll have a Burkey at this property. We've already got a, a, a fairly large, uh, concrete cistern that captures some of the water up on the hill. Um, and so, yeah, we'll probably put that through the Burque, but at the same time, natural water man is there's something to it. It's it's uh, you got a lot of minerals and stuff, so you gotta test it of course, to see what's there, but I'm really looking forward to just actually drinking real natural water.

Speaker 2 (00:28:30):
Would you say solar is the bulk of the expenses when putting a homestead together?

Curtis Stone (00:28:38):
Yeah. You mean solar energy?

Speaker 2 (00:28:40):

Curtis Stone (00:28:40):
Yeah. I mean, it all depends on where you are, but that's my plan. Like I'm, I'm budgeting about a hundred grand to, uh, upgrade this property. Wow. To get it to where I want. And 50 of that is gonna be going to solar.

Speaker 2 (00:28:53):
Wow. Yeah.

Curtis Stone (00:28:54):
I haven't got the quote back yet, but what I'm looking to put in is about 20 kilowats of solar and then, uh, at least two, well, I don't wanna, I might not necessarily use Tesla batteries, but about, you know, 30 to 40 kilowats of energy storage. So it's probably starting at 50 grand, but from there, I mean, it's a lot, I mean, we've also got wind power up there too, that we could utilize mm-hmm <affirmative> wind power is sweet too, cuz depending on where you are sometimes wind, you capture more wind at nighttime. And even in the colder seasons, like at this particular property, the majority of the wind blows at nighttime during the winter, which is amazing because you're not getting any solar energy at that time. And so, so having a, a bit of both might be a good thing. We'll see. But the nice thing about this property is we're fairly high elevation that we get a lot of sun and it's above the cloud line. So we actually get sun year round.

Speaker 2 (00:29:51):
I feel that solar is so important and something that a lot of people don't think about is, well, gas is cool, but then what happens if gas prices inflate <laugh> and they will, what if it's $20 a gallon? How, how, how are we gonna fill up our generators? How are we gonna drive?

Curtis Stone (00:30:09):

Speaker 2 (00:30:10):
That's how you gonna use a chainsaw?

Curtis Stone (00:30:11):
Yeah, I'm I'm there a hundred percent. I mean, I we're, we're electrifying everything at our new property, everything, uh, we have a generator up there and we'll use it if we have to,

Speaker 2 (00:30:23):
But good backup.

Curtis Stone (00:30:24):
It is a good backup, but no we're setting up this property to be, to be 100% electrified. And we're at a really nice time actually in history, uh, in that it's kind of going that way anyways. Like I, I still think peak oil is a, is a thing like that. We are going to pass the point of where we're getting less outta the ground than we were before and with the growing population and uh, as energy consuming as our lifestyles are, it's just not sustainable. Right. And so, yeah, I think, I think it's super important. Um, and looking at all those things too, cuz mic micro hydro is a, is a really solid energy source that a lot of people overlook, you can generate your own hydroelectricity on a very small amount of water, as long as you're close to a flowing water source. Uh, even if you have a ground water source and have the ability to pump water uphill, that you can store for hydroelectric energy on the way down.

Curtis Stone (00:31:23):
Hmm. So a lot of people set up what are called. Um, at least I know them as ponded, hydro electrics. So they'll, they'll basically have these solar Ram pumps or even just Ram pumps, but a solar Ram pump can pump more water uphill quicker. You have some kind of water source down below and you gotta be on a, a decent elevation of land where you're getting a few hundred feet of head pressure. And when the sun is shining and you you're producing excess energy, you're taking that excess energy to pump water uphill into a catch water dam. And if you have a few hundred feet of head pressure to go down, you can release that water into another down dam down below and generate electricity from it. And then when the sun is shining up again, you can pump it back up. So it's a way it's a, it's sort of a way of storing kinetic energy.

Curtis Stone (00:32:14):
And you can do that when you have an excess of solar, cuz that's the situation we're gonna be in up at our new place is that if we have, if we do go with 20 kilowatts of solar, that's gonna at a day like today in the middle of, you know, it's 10:00 AM here and it's the middle of summer. My, my home is producing a massive amount of energy. And when it's, when the batteries are charged, which they're probably almost charged at this point, it just dumps everything else into the grid. And so, but when you're off grid, there's nowhere else to dump that energy. So what are you gonna do with it? You should do something with it. Otherwise you're just turning off solar panels, which sucks. Sure, sure. You should be doing something with that energy. So for me, that's, that's what we're gonna be trying is, is, is pumping water around and seeing if we can later harness energy on the return.

Speaker 2 (00:32:58):
Wow dude, your neck deep

Curtis Stone (00:33:02):

Speaker 2 (00:33:04):
Is your, is your wife cool with this or is she follow your

Curtis Stone (00:33:07):
Lead? She love, she loves it. Yeah, she was uh, she was a, a real city girl, like professional photographer lived in Vancouver for 15 years. Never thought she'd have kids, but now she's she loves it. She loves the home studying life. She loves being a mom. Yeah. And uh, yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2 (00:33:25):
It's great. It's it's so much more satisfying. You know, I spent 20 years on a computer and, or a microphone

Curtis Stone (00:33:33):

Speaker 2 (00:33:34):
Going out and doing work. Like you said earlier, your own energy, your own thing. Yeah. There's something just, there's something about it and it's very, it puts you in the present moment too.

Curtis Stone (00:33:46):
It does. And that's, that's what I'm really looking forward to, you know, I've, I've built a career to be in a content creator. I've been doing podcasts and videos forever.

Speaker 2 (00:33:55):
It's exhausting.

Curtis Stone (00:33:56):
<laugh> it is. I mean, I like, I, I like the work I do because for the most part I'm making content about me being on the land. And so I kind of stack a function there cause I'm doing that anyways. Uh, and then I can, I can sell content from it as well, but no, nothing more. Do I want in life than to just live on the land, raise my kids with, with my wife and just do that. I would love that. And I wish more people could do that as well, because I think if more and more people start doing that, we are going to find the power of our true nature through that act. Because as you said, uh, when you're doing that kind of work, you're very connected to the land and you're connected to yourself and you're connected to the God, you know, the, the divinity in my opinion.

Curtis Stone (00:34:42):
And uh, that's, I think that's what we're, we're I think we're going two different ways in the world right now. There's like people going towards the 5g, the high tech in the cities, everything, uh, compartmentalized and computerized and uh, completely disconnected from humanity and, and nature. And then the other direction is the 5g, the people going towards the higher self and the connection and the community and the, the understanding, um, of nature and, and, and, and, and, and how that whole system is a holistic thing to you. It's all, it's all connected to you. We're all part of it. Uh, I think there's, there's, there's a big splitting off in society that we're really gonna see over the next 10 years. And I, I definitely wanted don't wanna be going on the <laugh> on the 5g path.

Speaker 2 (00:35:29):
Yeah. I have experience with ashrams, you know, you live there and you do your Seva, which I mean service and it's beautiful. You work in the garden or you sweep. Yeah. Or you work in the kitchen and yeah. It's, it's, it's that simplicity, man.

Curtis Stone (00:35:47):
Yep. Oh yeah. I, I got into meditation and things like that when I was a lot younger and, uh, I really got into, uh, Zen Buddhism when I was about 16 and was regularly meditating and things like that back then, I don't regularly meditate anymore because I have found that meditation comes through just working on the land. That's right. And I think you experience that in those ashrams though. I've never been, but I, but I, uh, but, but I hear people talk about those experiences. I think that's, and, and even the Budha talked about that is, is making the meditation part of your lifestyle and what you do. And I think, uh, that's for me, that's, it's, it's all in the garden, you know? And, and it's the best time that I have with my kids too. Like my daughter who's three and a half now.

Curtis Stone (00:36:32):
She that's what she wants to do with me every day. She's like, daddy, let's do some gardening. Let's go in the garden. Oh, daddy, I love doing stuff in the garden with you. And so not only am I getting food out of my actions there, I'm stacking all these functions. I'm producing a yield, which is coming back and nourishing our family. I'm spending quality time with my, with my daughter. Uh, my son's getting in there now too. And I'm also having this holistic connected experience that is totally meditative. And it it's like, where, what else can you do in life? Where you get all those things at once.

Speaker 2 (00:37:06):
That's right. Um, glad you brought up your experience with, with Zen. That's typically what this podcast is about.

Curtis Stone (00:37:13):
Yeah. I know. Inner

Speaker 2 (00:37:15):
Peace. Yeah. If you look at the guests, you're an anomaly right now.

Curtis Stone (00:37:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, you did have one guy you had, what's his name on, uh, Santos. Spinna that's

Speaker 2 (00:37:25):
The guy. Oh, Santos.

Curtis Stone (00:37:27):

Speaker 2 (00:37:28):
That's another animal.

Curtis Stone (00:37:29):
<laugh> yeah, yeah, yeah. He's an interesting dude. That guy, he's a deep into like the Freeman and sovereign movement. I've watched a number of his

Speaker 2 (00:37:37):
Videos. It very rare to somebody come on this podcast and it's not about some sort of spiritual tradition. Mm-hmm

Curtis Stone (00:37:44):

Speaker 2 (00:37:45):
But this all relates back. I feel that preparation is part of inner peace.

Curtis Stone (00:37:52):

Speaker 2 (00:37:52):
<affirmative> I would love to get you and Bob Wells on at the same time. Are you familiar with Bob Wells?

Curtis Stone (00:37:58):
No. I'm looking at your, uh, looking at a picture.

Speaker 2 (00:38:01):
Bob Wells is a big YouTube. He, he does what you do, but for van life.

Curtis Stone (00:38:06):
Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:38:08):
You can't miss him big beard.

Curtis Stone (00:38:09):
Yeah. I can see the picture

Speaker 2 (00:38:11):
Here. He's all about being free in a vein. He's lived in a van for 25 years.

Curtis Stone (00:38:16):
Oh geez. No, he must not have kids.

Speaker 2 (00:38:22):
So two interesting perspectives, but the same desire for freedom.

Curtis Stone (00:38:29):

Speaker 2 (00:38:30):
And to be disconnected from the society.

Curtis Stone (00:38:33):
Mm-hmm <affirmative>, mm-hmm <affirmative>

Speaker 2 (00:38:35):
Is a greenhouse necessary.

Curtis Stone (00:38:37):
Yes. Yeah. For getting your seedlings, but for extending your season. And also the fact that weather isn't always how you expect it. So a hundred percent greenhouse is all the way. Um, I've really done a lot of research into this thing called the grand solar minimum. And, uh, I that's, what I believe is happening is that we're actually going into colder times. Uh, I've had a couple of guys on my, um, my channel, the ice age farmer and, uh, uh, David Dubai from adapt 2030. And these guys present a lot of interesting information. And, uh, I often believe that, um, everything is the opposite of what the establishment tells us. So I kind of cuz the further I've gone into that stuff and explored the sort of esoteric nature of the things that they do, they often do that. They often invert things. And so I, I, I'm not sitting here saying I'm a hundred percent that, that, uh, grand solar minimum is a thing.

Curtis Stone (00:39:42):
Uh, if it's happening, I think the information's compelling, but I wouldn't put it past them. That it's the opposite of what the global warming people say. But needless to say, whether you believe in the climate change narrative that the, the mainstream media has spoon fed to us for the last 20 years, or you, you, you buy into the grand solar minimum or somewhere in between. The fact of the matter is the weather pattern do change on this planet. And we, we never really have long extended periods of time where it's the same. And so, because agriculture is this human phenomenon that requires the manipulation of nature in some degrees in small areas to produce an outcome that's predictable. Greenhouses, just make that so much easier. Um, especially in cold climates, like we're in, you can have call it eight solid months of eating from your garden and then, you know, four months of downtime, but you're still eating from your garden just a little bit less.

Curtis Stone (00:40:42):
And then you got a lot of storage crops. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, uh, opposed to only like five, four or five without a greenhouse. So a nursery is really important, a small nursery where you can start stuff, but you can often stack that into your home, which is which I would recommend if you're, if you're just getting started and you're looking where you wanna start your tomatoes and all that, it's easier just to set up some lights or AR an area, buy some open windows, as long as they're facing south, or get a good amount of light to start things. Um, and then another greenhouse, a high tunnel, which is where you would put, uh, you could seed things earlier in the season. So in our climates, they're fairly similar, you know, with a good high tunnel and UN UN unheated greenhouse, basically that's sealed. You can get in there and be planting things like carrots in March, whereas outside you wouldn't be able to do that until late April early may.

Curtis Stone (00:41:32):
You can seed spinach in late February. You know, you can, you can get production from the land for such a longer period of time at the beginning and the end of the season, you know, the end of the season, you can just have crops that you started in late summer or early fall. And then you can have a full greenhouse full of things like kale and broccolis and, and cabbage and carrots and even potatoes that you can be harvesting in the ground all winter long. Mm. So that really, really extends your quality of life too. Cause then you're eating fresh stuff from the ground.

Speaker 2 (00:42:05):
I wanna go back to fruit here. How you said you have a lemon tree.

Curtis Stone (00:42:09):
Mm-hmm <affirmative>

Speaker 2 (00:42:11):
How, how, how tall is it?

Curtis Stone (00:42:14):
Uh, well, I've got my, my Keer lime tree here is about 10 feet tall. Um, my, one of my Meer lemons that I'm looking at over here is about the same. I've got 1, 2, 3, 4 other variations of funky lemons and they're all around five to six feet tall.

Speaker 2 (00:42:36):

Curtis Stone (00:42:36):

Speaker 2 (00:42:38):
So that's not that tall.

Curtis Stone (00:42:41):
No, you can keep 'em small. You know what though? I, I wouldn't actually do it again. There's certain things like I've got passion fruit in here right now. That's just gone insane. Um, and that is doing really well in the greenhouse, the lemons. They don't do that grape. They do. Okay. What about

Speaker 2 (00:43:01):
The, the grapes?

Curtis Stone (00:43:02):
Oh, grapes are amazing. Yeah. Grapes are insane. I've also got grapes in my greenhouse. What I've tried to do in this greenhouse is, um, I'll just, I don't know if this will be on the podcast, but just to give you a little, uh, look of where things are a jungle, that's my son crawling around. Um, um, yeah, it's a jungle and what, that's what, that's kind of what I want in the summertime. I want there to be so much foliage in here that inside it's kind of like in the forest floor, it's kind of cooler. Yeah. So that in the summer, the foliage, particularly the figs, the cucumbers and the grapes, their foliage, I, I train them up so that they crowd out the plastic surface where the sun comes in and then in the wintertime, they come down and then I get lots of light in the winter. Wow. So it keeps it cooler in the summer and then it remains nice and warm in the winter. But the lemons, I don't know. I don't know if I'd do it again. It's, uh, I'm gonna build one of these at my new place attached to the house. And, uh, I don't know if I do the lemons. The figs are at a huge success though. They're like amazing.

Speaker 2 (00:44:02):
How big is a fake tree? How tall is a F oh,

Curtis Stone (00:44:05):
They're, they're pretty big. I mean, this is one, that's a fig right there and it goes up to the roof. So it's, it's fairly big. Um, probably six foot radius. Oh, no, six foot diameter and probably, you know, up to 10 feet tall,

Speaker 2 (00:44:21):
This, how, how big is it when you buy it when you get it or you you're not going from seed, right? No,

Curtis Stone (00:44:26):
No. I'm not going from seed. These were, I bought these as potted plants and they were just like, you know, a few feet tall in a pot at that time. And, uh, I don't even know what variety it is, but the sweet thing about this variety is that they fruit off the first year off the, off the current year's growth. So I can literally, at the end of the season here, cut these down to the ground. And then, and then that way there's lots of light that comes through and then they'll grow back up and pop new fruits, just like a tomato plant. It's

Speaker 2 (00:44:53):
Quite amazing unbeliev. Well, how long did it take the fig tree to get to 10 feet or so?

Curtis Stone (00:44:57):
Oh, I mean, uh, what has it been? I mean, it was down, it was probably four feet tall in April, so wow. You know, from April till now.

Speaker 2 (00:45:08):
Wow. And that's because of the, this is working because of the greenhouse.

Curtis Stone (00:45:12):
Yeah. Like if I, if I did these outside, which there are people in the area that do them outside, there's a lot of Mediterranean gardeners here that do them outside. And then they cut them right down to the ground in the fall. And then they cover the whole crown of a plant up with straw. And then that keeps the, the crown alive and then they uncover it and then it comes back up in the spring. So those guys, those figs outside will be a lot smaller, like probably half the size

Speaker 2 (00:45:38):
Do the grapes. Is it better for the grapes to be in the greenhouse instead of outside?

Curtis Stone (00:45:42):
Oh, no, no, no. I've got tons of grapes outside. Okay. But the, the point of the grapes in here are to get an earlier crop, uh, and a later crop. And also to give me, um, some sun coverage or some, some shade in here, in, in the summertime.

Speaker 2 (00:45:58):
Do the birds come after the grapes?

Curtis Stone (00:46:01):
No, not really. No. I don't really have that problem. I mean, if you do, you just put nets on them and then that, that will, uh, keep them off. That's what a lot of organic growers do is they, they put long white nettings over their Berry crops.

Speaker 2 (00:46:14):
That's the interesting part about gardening slash farming. You're always up against mother nature somehow some way. Oh yeah. The weather. Oh my gosh.

Curtis Stone (00:46:24):
Weather's the biggest thing

Speaker 2 (00:46:26):
If a hurricane or tropical storm comes through.

Curtis Stone (00:46:29):

Speaker 2 (00:46:30):
It just happened to me two weeks ago. <laugh> I'm out there like a rookie up in that area. Really? Rock corn. Yeah. Yeah. We got nailed. Oh wow. I lost power for a day and a half.

Curtis Stone (00:46:39):
No way.

Speaker 2 (00:46:41):
The other thing with weather is, I mean, there's geoengineering, there's harp. Some people don't know what we're saying right now, but yep. You just don't know what's gonna happen with the weather.

Curtis Stone (00:46:53):
I know. And that's another reason to have greenhouses because you don't know cliche <laugh>. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and if they're, if, if, if, if the stuff they're spraying in the, in the, with the geoengineering is, uh, harmful to us, sort of the aluminum, the barium and all that stuff. Um, another reason to have greenhouse is to keep what's falling off the sky, off your crop. Um, I don't know the, the absolute truth with any of that stuff. I'm certainly aware of it. I mean, I, as a guy who spent the majority of my life outside over the last 10 years, I can tell you that I witnessed that geoengineering all the time. I've looked at the flight path. These planes are not, they're not commercial airliners mm-hmm <affirmative> they're grid in the area, and it's, they actually stopped doing it here. At least they significantly stopped doing it where I don't even notice it anymore, uh, in the last few years. But I remember in my first couple years of farming, would've been in 2009 and 2010. I noticed it a lot. They were doing this constantly a grid, the entire valley with these planes, and you'd see them turn around and come back. So I don't know what the hell they're doing, but, um, I don't know what, I don't know what to do about it. My, my, my friend John says, uh, I'm not in a hurry to worry about things that I can't change.

Speaker 2 (00:48:05):
Could you, uh, create a micro green farm right. In a

Curtis Stone (00:48:11):
Greenhouse? That's what this greenhouse was. I built this greenhouse for a fairly large scale microgreens production. And, uh, we would, we were producing about 400 flats a week in here, uh, at the height of its production. And so, yeah, you don't even need artificial light. Um, you a little bit of supplemental light at the, at the, the darkest month of the year, which is basically, you know, December 1st to January, uh, seventh, that's kind of like the darkest period of the year. We would, uh, I had some shelves in here that had supplemental lights that I would run 24 7, and I would take batches of crops and put them under those lights for three or four days to finish them quicker. And then, but the Mo the most of their time would just be growing in the natural light, but it's so dark here in the winter, um, that I would just finish them with a bit of artificial light, but Mo most micro green growers are actually just growing it entirely in artificial light.

Speaker 2 (00:49:09):
Mm. Yeah. It's low maintenance, right.

Curtis Stone (00:49:12):
It's fairly low maintenance. Yeah. I mean, it's not like, I mean, it, it has maintenance in other ways, you know, there's, it's, uh, doing that kind of farming is very repetitive and kind of mechanical, cuz you're doing a lot of the same things over and over again. It's like planting, uh, watering, harvesting, packing, doing these same things over and over again. Whereas outdoor farming is so much more dynamic, um, because there's variables of weather and the land and all that. Mm. Um, but yeah, I mean, you, you certainly can. I mean, I've got hundreds of, if not thousands of students around the world that have taken what I've taught people about with micro greens on my online courses and stuff and doing it right. And you, you can make a good living doing it.

Speaker 2 (00:49:58):
Just one crop basically.

Curtis Stone (00:50:00):
Well, you have a few, but it's one type of crop, a micro green, you know, you have, you might have like, you might have up to yeah. You might have to 10 different crops that you do, but yeah, it's, they're all more or less the same as far as how they're grown. A micro green is the first foliage that grows after that. So the, the, the sprout, the sprout goes down to the ground forms, the root, the micro green is the thing that comes out after that, which is called the Coty lead in the first two leaves that come out of the seed. That's what a micro green is. And micro greens are just as healthy as far as I know, I'm not an expert on the nutritional value of all this stuff, but micro greens are, they say they're 10 to 15 times more nutritionally dense than the vegetable itself. Yep.

Speaker 2 (00:50:39):
Speaking of that, I never saw a, uh, chicken coop of any kind in your stuff. Are you animal free?

Curtis Stone (00:50:47):
No, no, no. We, we get our eggs from our, my brother-in-law, my, my wife's brother. He does, he, he raises a lot of, uh, small game at our new farm. We'll probably do it. Um, it's been a space thing for us here. We could probably integrate a chicken coop into here fairly easy who wanted to, um, but up until this year, I travel, I tr do a lot of traveling for work. I'd go on the road for a week or two weeks at a time and make videos from my membership site. And, uh, my YouTube channel,

Speaker 2 (00:51:18):
I was gonna ask you about that.

Curtis Stone (00:51:19):
Yeah. And so it was, it's been hard to have animals with our lifestyle, but now that we've kind of accepted that we'd actually just rather be here and not travel as much anyways, that we'll probably start doing more of that.

Speaker 2 (00:51:31):
Yeah. Cuz when I saw you do the video with Doug and Stacy, I'm like this dude's from Canada, what's he doing in Missouri? Yeah.

Curtis Stone (00:51:37):
<laugh> yeah. Yeah, no. I used to teach workshops all over the us. Um, and, and when I'd go to do those workshops, I'd go and make videos too. And I also did just multiple road trips where I just make videos. Like I, we did a big one. Uh, we did a couple actually last year, but we did a big one in middle of us. We drove for two weeks and just basically made videos every single day ended up in, uh, we went from here basically as far as, uh, Madison, Wisconsin. And then I came back through the north of the us through Wyoming and all that and yeah, but that's becoming a lot more difficult to do now. And I'm actually, I actually don't really care. I've I'm kind of tired of traveling. I've I've been, wouldn't think so. Oh, I'd just been doing it. You know, I started doing public talks into my second or third year of farming and I would just be on the road all winter. Like I'd just be flying places and all that.

Speaker 2 (00:52:32):
Yeah. I think the pandemic was a, uh, sort of a message just slow down, get prepared, but slow down.

Curtis Stone (00:52:39):
Yep. I think so too. Yep. I think that's part of it. I think it's really complicated. The whole thing. It it's so politicized. Yeah. And there's like so many forces pulling this way or that way. And, but um, yeah, it is, it is a slowdown thing and I, I, I'm actually doing a podcast today with another, with a guy named Rob Avis and he, and he thinks part of, uh, what it was designed to do was to prepare society for peak oil and, and, and basically force slow down the economy so that we don't go over the edge too quickly. So I'll find out more about that today. And <laugh>, I'll circle back.

Speaker 2 (00:53:17):
When do you think the financial bubble's gonna pop? If it does?

Curtis Stone (00:53:21):
I think it has popped in ways cuz I don't, I don't really ever think that things are monolithic. Like there's one thing that makes it all go. I certainly the financial system is very centralized. Um, I think elements of it have popped already and you know, a lot of economists were saying that this is gonna happen before this whole pandemic thing happened anyways. Um, I, I don't know when the financial bubble is gonna pop, but I expect by this November we're gonna see a major event that's going to, uh, really shake us. I think, I think the us

Speaker 2 (00:54:01):
Election after the election has to be after can't be

Curtis Stone (00:54:04):
Before it's gonna be after. Yeah. And uh,

Speaker 2 (00:54:06):
I saw the pandemic coming. I was, I was warning people in February

Curtis Stone (00:54:11):
And yep. So did I,

Speaker 2 (00:54:12):
People thought I was crazy.

Curtis Stone (00:54:14):

Speaker 2 (00:54:15):
Um, there's something there, you know, the Kobe Bryant tragedy happened. He's buried in he's buried in Corona, California.

Curtis Stone (00:54:23):
Yeah. There's so many crazy things like that. I saw it coming then too. I, I saw this all coming on January 29th. Mm-hmm <affirmative> I was on my way down to Phoenix, Arizona. I was catching a flight. I was, I had, uh, I was transit in Seattle and I got held up, uh, with the TSA for nine hours. I missed my flight to Phoenix and Seattle airport was a gong show. Mm-hmm <affirmative>, there's always a lot of Asians at Seattle airport and Asians. A lot of Asians typically do wear masks in the flu season. And so that's not abnormal, but what was abnormal is the amount of people at that airport that were wearing masks and, and the vibe was scary. And, uh, so I got turned around. They didn't let me into the us. I had to go home and I'm glad I did. Cuz the minute I got home, I said to my wife, I was like, we need to start preparing.

Curtis Stone (00:55:15):
And at that time we didn't really know what was going on. Like we were still kind of cautious about the illness. And at this point I have zero concern about getting that cold. Right. Um, but at that time we were, of course, so we're taking pre cautious, but we started preparing like crazy getting like stored food and making sure that we're prepared for a lockdown. And, and I saw this stuff coming way back then. And I was telling people too, like start getting prepared now. Yeah. Because they're gonna bring this hammer down again in the fall. And uh, things could be a lot worse then. And it's really gonna shake up a lot of small businesses too, unfortunately. So I hope people are, are preparing for another lockdown this fall, but may you know, who knows? Maybe the political tides could change so much. I don't have faith in the political system.

Curtis Stone (00:56:01):
However what's going on with Trump is somewhat anomalous. It seems. Yeah. And the political tide might turn so much that maybe this whole thing gets shut down to me. This is all the new world order pushing their last ditch effort to bring the sort of tyrannical technocracy that they've wanted for hundreds of years. That's what it looks like to me. I could be wrong. Mm-hmm <affirmative> it is what it is, but yeah. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. It's it's interesting times. I mean, regardless, it doesn't matter what I think of what that political machine is gonna do. My preparations and my, um, my work now is the same, regardless of what happens there.

Speaker 2 (00:56:46):
That's right. That's

Curtis Stone (00:56:47):
Right. Get prepared, get connected, be, you know, get connected to your community, your family start taking control of things in your own life. I like, that's probably one of the biggest messages that I've pulled out from this whole pandemic thing is like, we need to start being more responsible for everything we use in our lives to exist food, energy, water, community money. How, how do we transact? How do we trade without this sort of monolithic centralized system? How do we get along in the world? Yeah. And we need to start owning up and taking responsibility and be the ones we've been waiting for. Right. Be, be our own second coming of Christ. Be that for ourselves. And, and I think if we use this opportunity to kind of kick us in the butt and wake us up, I think a lot of good things could come out of this whole event

Speaker 2 (00:57:36):
With all this preparation that you're doing, all this work you've been doing, are you at least having fun doing it?

Curtis Stone (00:57:43):
Oh yeah. I wouldn't be doing it otherwise. Yeah. And that's, that's, that's a really good question because, uh,

Speaker 2 (00:57:49):
It's all a game anyway.

Curtis Stone (00:57:51):
<laugh> if you aren't having fun doing this, you're not gonna last long. And so you got to enjoy the lifestyle and um, you have to, yeah, you gotta have fun doing. I mean, that's the thing for us. It's just fun. We we'd be doing this stuff anyways. Like I would be preparing for the same things at the same expediency regardless of the pandemic. Well maybe, maybe this whole thing kicked me in the butt a little bit more. Yeah. But I've been preparing for this for 10 years, but I've wanted to get my family outside of the city for a long time. My wife and I've been talking about this for years. Yeah. There's just everything in that lifestyle is desirable and fun for us. And it just, it just, it's just, it's a whole package of amazingness where you can stack, like I said, at the beginning of all these things of education of your kids, connection with your kids connection with the divine, through meditation in, in, in the work of having your hands in the dirt and, and, and doing these things that provide for you and you alone or your family, right.

Curtis Stone (00:58:54):
And, and owning your own work and owning everything about yourself, it's, it's a true sovereign, uh, existence

Speaker 2 (00:59:03):
And you you've dabbled with Zen. So, uh, you have a, an understanding of this is all kind of a, an illusion game type of fantasy that we're in.

Curtis Stone (00:59:15):
<laugh> a hundred percent

Speaker 2 (00:59:16):
Who might as well have fun preparing for

Curtis Stone (00:59:18):
Absolutely. <laugh>. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean the, the way I like to put it is, um, when I signed up for this existence, I signed up for the whole human experience. Mm. I signed up for everything. And so that, that, to me, that was a big thing. I realized, uh, before we decided to have kids, cuz my wife and I intentionally had our children. But when I, when we decided to have kids, that was the biggest thought in my mind is, you know what? I signed up for the full human experience. When I came into this body from the divine, I want it all. I want the experience of having children and, and, and, and all these beautiful things that life bring us. I want to do it all. And, and, and be having kids is, is probably one of the biggest, uh, things you can do in your life. And so it's all part of that,

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Well said, that's a great way to end right there. We got, we can hear kids in the background. It all makes sense. It all comes

Curtis Stone (01:00:09):
Together. Totally, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Curtis. I really appreciate your time,

Curtis Stone (01:00:13):
Man. Hey, my, my pleasure brother,

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
What a conversation, huh? It's definitely something to open your mind as to what's happening right now. And of course this podcast is usually mostly about your inner life, but we have to look at our outer life too. And things are changing right now. What do you do about those changes? The material world, the physical world needs your attention. You need to prepare, even if it's small steps, not everyone is gonna go all the way like Curtis is doing. Someone might be kind of right in the middle, like how I am, or you might just take small little steps just to free yourself from the society and to be a little more self reliant, do make sure you find my meditation album on Spotify, apple, or YouTube, and be sure to share this podcast and let people know that it exists. If you're looking for me, you can go to Dr. That's Dr. Spelled out. And I'll talk to you on the next episode.

Dr. Reese (01:01:34):
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